ABattlemap P40 BETA module

[ksmckay]

The price for CV is incorrect in the beta module.  It is listed as 18 rather than 16.  Courtesy Maxo.

Everything else is looking good.

[Battlingmaxo]

@ksmckay:

The price for CV is incorrect in the beta module.  It is listed as 18 rather than 16.  Courtesy Maxo.

Everything else is looking good.

Also not sure if the airfield , naval base prices are listed as the bottom of the map and info view are slightly truncated on my desktop. Does this have something to do w/1600 x 1200 resolution?  It only affects the infoview on my AA50 modules.

[Battlingmaxo]

The map truncation is 1600 x 1200 issue as it is fine on 1200 x 1024 however the info view remains slightly clipped.  The air/naval base prices are included.

It is actually fine with the exception of the info view on 1600 x1200. What happens is the overall map size does not change much when it is minimized so you may not appreciate it as I didn’t.  When maximized everything appears.

[Stoney229]

@ksmckay:

The price for CV is incorrect in the beta module.  It is listed as 18 rather than 16.  Courtesy Maxo.

Everything else is looking good.

@Battlingmaxo:

Also not sure if the airfield , naval base prices are listed as the bottom of the map and info view are slightly truncated on my desktop. Does this have something to do w/1600 x 1200 resolution?  It only affects the infoview on my AA50 modules.

I’m guessing you mean the program is showing 16 not 18.  Thank you for pointing it out - I’ll change it.  While I’m changing toolpiece values, I have a suggestion and request people’s input once again.

Currently, the “Hit BB” amd “Hit CV” pieces are worth 18 and 20, respectively.  I think it would be easier if they were, instead, “BB hit” and “CV hit” pieces, worth 0 IPC each, so that you just add and take away the hits, instead of having to swap them for the pieces that are already on the board.  Does that make sense?  What would other people prefer?

Also: ICs are currently listed in Infoview as with the land assets, but ABs and NBs aren’t.  I prefer that neither are listed, so that the Infoview just shows unit assets.  Again, what would other people prefer?

Also, Atilla included a BigPieces file in his new module, which means I was able to just borrow designs from him to make a better Bigpieces file.  Questioneer: sorry to ruin your fun if you were making one, but if you want to make a better one than this one and post it, maybe I can include it in the next update.

[ksmckay]

No, for the prices the CV should be 16 not 18.  The cost of a carrier is 16 not 18.  This is in reference to the bottom right chart.

Looks like it is correctly valued in terms of calculating unit values on the map.  If I place a carrier in a sea zone then it increases the navy value by 16 as it should.

Yeah the hits are a little annoying.  You either swap them as it is now, or you do what you said and just take away and add hits.  Problem with that is now when moving you have to move more stuff since you have to move the hits and the AC.  I think its probably easier just to keep it as it is but maybe others feel differently.

[Stoney229]

@ksmckay:

No, for the prices the CV should be 16 not 18.  The cost of a carrier is 16 not 18.  This is in reference to the bottom right chart.

Looks like it is correctly valued in terms of calculating unit values on the map.  If I place a carrier in a sea zone then it increases the navy value by 16 as it should.

Yeah the hits are a little annoying.  You either swap them as it is now, or you do what you said and just take away and add hits.  Problem with that is now when moving you have to move more stuff since you have to move the hits and the AC.  I think its probably easier just to keep it as it is but maybe others feel differently.

Actually, I’m pretty sure CVs are 18 in P40.  remember, they take 2 hits now, not to mention they can now carry 2 different kinds of aircraft.  The InfoView was showing them as 16, so I changed that, and will upload the new updated module when I hear from some more people regarding preferences of Infoview values for hit ships, ICs, and bases.

I also changed the Mongolians to actual pieces, in case a player attacks Buyant-Uhaa and retreats after killing only 1.  If people have a problem with this, let me know.

[BadSpeller]

Aircraft Carriers cost 16 IPCs in AAP40
attack 0
defense 2
move 2

[Panther]

@Stoney229:

Currently, the “Hit BB” amd “Hit CV” pieces are worth 18 and 20, respectively.  I think it would be easier if they were, instead, “BB hit” and “CV hit” pieces, worth 0 IPC each, so that you just add and take away the hits, instead of having to swap them for the pieces that are already on the board.  Does that make sense?  What would other people prefer?

I would prefer to leave it as it is. Swapping the pieces seems to be easier to me than moving two pieces that represent in fact only one unit.

@Stoney229:

Also: ICs are currently listed in Infoview as with the land assets, but ABs and NBs aren’t.  I prefer that neither are listed, so that the Infoview just shows unit assets.  Again, what would other people prefer?

I would prefer that neither are listed, too. In AA50 and AA42 they (the ICs) do not count in the Infoview, either.

:-)

[ksmckay]

Yeah, they are definitely 16 (they used to be 18)  I attached a scan of the rulebook just so there is no doubt.

I also would prefer to leave naval bases, airbases, and ICs off the infoview and leave it strictly for actual forces.

[Stoney229]

@ksmckay:

Yeah, they are definitely 16 (they used to be 18)  I attached a scan of the rulebook just so there is no doubt.

I also would prefer to leave naval bases, airbases, and ICs off the infoview and leave it strictly for actual forces.

Wow so sorry I thought for sure I had read 18 but my memory failed me.

Looks like the consensus is to leave hit  ships on the infoview, take ICs off, and leave bases off.  So that’s what I’ll do, and I let you know as soon as I can get a new module uploaded.  Thanks for your input!

[Stoney229]

alright the new module is up you can link to it from the first post.  The only matter of incompatibility with the previous version is that save files using the new module will show up on the previous module with blank white pieces in place of the mongolians.  I hope you enjoy!  As always, feedback/suggestions/criticisms appreciated!

[BadSpeller]

Wow, is that ever nice.

Great improvements Stoney229

+1 to you over many days!

[Panther]

@Stoney229:

alright the new module is up you can link to it from the first post.  The only matter of incompatibility with the previous version is that save files using the new module will show up on the previous module with blank white pieces in place of the mongolians.  I hope you enjoy!  As always, feedback/suggestions/criticisms appreciated!

Great! Thank you.
The BigPieces are a great improvement, too!
:-)

[questioneer]

@P@nther:

@Stoney229:

alright the new module is up you can link to it from the first post.  The only matter of incompatibility with the previous version is that save files using the new module will show up on the previous module with blank white pieces in place of the mongolians.  I hope you enjoy!  As always, feedback/suggestions/criticisms appreciated!

Great! Thank you.
The BigPieces are a great improvement, too!
:-)

Thanks a ton- I can’t do those pieces-improvements are superb- thanks for the time doing this for many others to enjoy! :-)  +1- cheers to you! :-)

[Battlingmaxo]

Stoney, It seems that if you use the non blurry Bigpieces file the bases and ICs appear in the info view. Also the carrier remains listed at 18. This is small potatoes to me, but I wanted to see if I was correct. I downloaded the module from your last link but the bigpieces tool was the blurry one that you modified from mine…I pasted the clear file over that one…would this make the difference ?

[Panther]

@Battlingmaxo:

Stoney, It seems that if you use the non blurry Bigpieces file the bases and ICs appear in the info view. Also the carrier remains listed at 18. This is small potatoes to me, but I wanted to see if I was correct. I downloaded the module from your last link but the bigpieces tool was the blurry one that you modified from mine…I pasted the clear file over that one…would this make the difference ?

The *.bmp files, such as bigpieces.bmp are just cosmetiacl pieces…they contain only “Color-information” and nothing else. The files that are responsible for information such as unit costs, calculation in the Info-View etc. are those ending with *.txt.  See for example the toolpieces.txt.

The unit cost list in the right part of the map on the other hand is only a cosmetical issue that is not related to any txt-information in other files.
In other words: To change the values of unit costs for counting purposes in the info-view needs a modification of the toolpieces.txt.
To change values in the unit cost list you have to edit the map.bmp itself with an image-editor such as Paint.net.

So it is not enough to copy the BigPieces.bmp. To make sure to update everything that is necessary you should download and replace the complete module from Stoney’s first post in this thread:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=16253.msg542148#msg542148

Works perfectly at my place.

HTH :-)

[Battlingmaxo]

I did download as you directed but simply pasted over the existing folder. It seems that you must delete the previous module then paste the new one.  Thanks

[Stoney229]

@Battlingmaxo:

I did download as you directed but simply pasted over the existing folder. It seems that you must delete the previous module then paste the new one.  Thanks

Yes, you have to delete the old module.

[Stoney229]

I’ve noticed that some of the SZ labels are the wrong color.  Idk how that happened, but it should be fixed next time I make an update.

Also, it has been suggested that an easier way of keeping track of cash in hand would be a chart like the VC chart in A50.  I wanted to know what you think - would it be easier/harder?  would it look better/worse?  What would you prefer?

[Panther]

@Stoney229:

Also, it has been suggested that an easier way of keeping track of cash in hand would be a chart like the VC chart in A50.  I wanted to know what you think - would it be easier/harder?  would it look better/worse?  What would you prefer?

Well that means the need to implement quite a huge chart with the figures from 0 to 100 (or more) and enough space to place one or more nation markers - too much space for too little of information, I think.

I think it is easier to manage cash as it is done in the AA50/AA42 and P4B-Modules.

BTW - my opponents and me almost never used the VC-Chart in AA50.

Just my opinion on this issue…

:-)