kwaspek(x) v gamerman01 Classic 3rd ed

[kwaspek104]

And yes I agree, I like how short the moves (can) be in this version. It’s among other reasons why I like this version so much!

[gamerman01]

You want the 3 fighters on Yakut?
They aren’t there on your map,
If you confirm, I’ll move them for you

[kwaspek104]

Yeah, can you please? Thanks

[gamerman01]

No problem, just wanted to make sure that’s where you wanted them, thanks for quickly confirming

[gamerman01]

@kwaspek104 said in Does anybody play with 3rd Edition rules?:

I was wondering if anybody actually plays this game with third edition rules, especially on an actual board. The differences between 2nd and 3rd edition are relatively minor, but they do change the game:

"1. Defending subs can submerge or retreat from combat. A submerged sub remains in the sea zone and resurfaces after combat.
2. Planes can retreat from an amphibious assault.
3. There can be multiple AA guns in one territory, but only one can fire.
4. New sea units can be placed in an enemy-occupied sea zone (this was an optional rule in 2nd Edition).

I’m starting to get confused. I’m starting a game with elche and he wants certain rules, too, like he doesn’t want planes to retreat from amphibious assault.

In our game here, I have been playing that I can’t place ships if there is an enemy ship in the zone. Are we playing 2nd edition or 3rd? Could I have placed ships in an occupied zone?? Pretty wild that a German sub in the North Sea can stop fleet placement. I couldn’t risk the 10% chance that my planes fail to hit your sub and then I lose all my money.

[kwaspek104]

yeah we’re playing with the 3rd edition rules for this one. you can place sea units even in enemy sea zones for this game.

next game we can pick and choose what rules we like, if you wish

[kwaspek104]

1. subs submerging in the same sea zone
2. not being able to place sea units in enemy occupied sea zones

These two rules are mutually exclusive. Otherwise, submarines would be overpowered, because they would always just submerge in a sea zone with an industrial complex, preventing you from putting anything there.

In the second edition rules, subs could only withdraw to another zone, not in the same sea zone.

Let me know if that makes sense lol

[gamerman01]

@kwaspek104 said in kwaspek(x) v gamerman01 Classic 3rd ed:

Let me know if that makes sense lol

Confusing with different versions and rules!

We are playing 3rd edition, so subs are not allowed to submerge in their own zone. So to retreat on defense, you’d have to have an open zone. If you can’t withdraw to another zone, and you can’t submerge, then you’re auto-sunk against air?

R4.tsvg

[kwaspek104]

other way around lol. We’re playing 3rd edition, so subs CAN submerge in the same zone

[gamerman01]

@kwaspek104 said in kwaspek(x) v gamerman01 Classic 3rd ed:

In the second edition rules, subs could only withdraw to another zone, not in the same sea zone.

Well I should have understood, from this…

[gamerman01]

So in 3rd edition, we can submerge in same sea zone, and you CAN build fleet into a hostile zone, no matter how much enemy fleet is there.

R4 posted below

[kwaspek104]

Correct. In the second edition, building sea units in enemy sea zones was presented as an optional rule. They made it a “mandatory” rule in 3rd edition.

(Btw, the 3rd edition was first seen in the 1998 computer game by Hasbro. You could pick and choose what rules you wanted as well as other optional rules)

And yes, you are correct, if aircraft attack a sub in 2nd edition and there’s no place for it to withdraw to, it basically auto-dies. I’m assuming this is why they added this rule in 3rd edition.

[kwaspek104]

@gamerman01 all right hopefully I didn’t miss anything obvious lol

g4.tsvg

[gamerman01]

Hmph, another fail on the notifications. I just now see it’s my turn.

[gamerman01]

UK4.tsvg

I missed the sub off South Africa, so you can withdraw to a different zone and edit

I edited the first post so I can see that in this game you can submerge straight down, and can build fleet into hostile zone. My other game is the opposite.

[kwaspek104]

ah, you’ve invaded Spain…congratulations, you win lol

[kwaspek104]

@gamerman01 I attacked the American sub in Solomon Islands and missed. I moved it to where the other subs are but feel free to change it.j4.tsvg

[gamerman01]

Ooh, you have enough money to buy 2 battleships, not good.

[gamerman01]

We are playing economic victory, Axis having 84 at the end of USA turn?

[kwaspek104]

correct, it’s technically not an optional rule