L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)
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Good idea to get clarification from a mod.
I also would like a neutral recommendation of a “fair” way to proceed if this was indeed a rule misunderstanding: call it a match, redo non-combat, redo the whole Japanese turn, etc?
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ABH is correct. The US sub is able to ignore all the Jap subs allowing the transport to proceed unobstructed.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris A sub is a warship (though not a surface warship), so the presence of a sub allows enemy subs to be ignored for an amphibious assault.
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@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?
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@Krieghund @AndrewAAGamer Thank you for clarification.
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris This is obviously a major miskate of mine. I am fully OK if you decide to not change anything, and will of course surrender after the loss of Tokyo. I think I am anyways far from where the axis would need to be to have a chance to win this game.
Should you decide to continue with modifications I am of course willing to fight on. Nevertheless it would need to be thought on how to do that…
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@Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?
I don’t think it can be done with the NCM alone. I would need to revise the build I guess.
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@pacifiersboard said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
uh; none I am aware of.
fierce! You might be to be congratulated?
for sportsmanship at least!!
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@Myygames redo the whole Japan turn then including builds and combat. I don’t think it is appropriate to win because of a rule misunderstanding.
Normally I get victory via superior luck.
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sorry, I had loaded the page earlier and not seen all the responses that had be gone already
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Myygames
Normally I get victory via superior luck.Loool!
This is a lot sportsmanship of yourself! You are Champion allready!
I will rethink and try to give you a revised turn in die time. I am not sure it will take place today though.
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No problem. Take your time. It is such an important turn with so many calculations.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-JAP7_edited.tsvg
I have edited the build and NCM as follows: removed 4 subs from SZ6 (+24), build 2 fighters and a INF in Japan (-23), added 1 IPC to Japan. Also, I moved a fighter from FIC to Japan. I still think my other positioning is fine, and hope I have not make other mistakes as well.
This should still give you 20% of winning the battle in Japan, but I will leave it with this. I could have aso deleted the last sub and build a fourth fighter instead of the INF (lowering the japan odds to 10%), but I am not willing to let russia take korea without convoi damage. Lots of odds here, but hey, I could have lost this game allready ;-)
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@Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?
Looks like you guys have sorted it out.
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@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):
@Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn
Sure! Happy holidays to you!
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I’m just now here -
Thanksgiving yesterday -
Looks like you don’t need me at all - terrific job! -
l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abhUK7.tsvg
Game HistoryRound: 7 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 5 bombers, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands 3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands Combat - Americans Battle in Caroline Islands Americans attack with 7 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 3 infantry Japanese roll AA dice in Caroline Islands : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 4/0 hits, 4.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 aaGuns owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 bombers moved from Western United States to Korea 3 bombers moved from Wake Island to Korea 1 bomber moved from Queensland to Korea 1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 108 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 3 aaGuns, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales 1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone 5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi Chinese take Shensi from Japanese 9 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar 1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Tsinghai Combat - Chinese Battle in Chahar Chinese attack with 9 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 9 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Tsinghai Chinese attack with 1 fighter Japanese defend with 1 armour Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 3 infantry placed in Chahar Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 6 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 41 Sea Zone Combat - British Battle in 41 Sea Zone British attack with 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 41 Sea Zone British win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport Non Combat Move - British 1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to West India 1 fighter moved from India to Northwest Persia 3 artilleries moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia 1 armour moved from India to Eastern Persia 1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia 1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from India to West India 1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia 1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia 2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan 1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan Place Units - British 2 fighters placed in United Kingdom 1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 submarine placed in 39 Sea Zone 1 infantry placed in India Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs Units Change Ownership Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 submarineCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.00 Americans regular : -0.17 Japanese regular : 0.17 Japanese AA : 0.00 -
@Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_ITA7.tsvg
Game History
Round: 7 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 armour moved from Rostov to Bryansk Italians take Bryansk from Russians Combat - Italians Non Combat Move - Italians 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia 2 aaGuns and 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France Place Units - Italians 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 12 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,2,3,2,4,4,6 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3 Italians collect 10 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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