PanzerStahl vs barnee EXP

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Hi,

I hope your machine will keep on running!

Comment 1: I moved your 2 fighters from London to Gibraltar.
Comment 2: I edited 1 Elite unit to Kwangsi and 1 to Hunan (that would be my non-combat move, since this is the Elite that started from there). I also moved 1 transport back to SZ 36.
I couldn´t remove 1 infanteries in PHI as compensation, so I will try it in my J4 turn again.

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 air_transport, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Rail placed in Southern Italy
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
              Italians take Trans-Jordan from British

    Combat - Italians
        Italians creates battle in territory 97 Sea Zone

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Rail owned by Italians in Southern Italy
        EDIT: 2 uk_fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        EDIT: 2 elites moved from Philippines to Kwangsi
        EDIT: 1 elite moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        EDIT: 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 air_transport and 1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Egypt
        2 fighters moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Greece to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France

    Place Units - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy
        1 air_transport, 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs
        Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

exp-game-1-stahl-it-4.tsvg

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm right on yea I only want to move 1 ftr. I’ll move the other back. Thanks for doing that though.

I will try and remove 1 Inf from PHI then ? You can always readd if needed.

Also, do you care if we activate CDG Neutrals ? We don’t have to lay with the rules, but we can if you want, I just like the flavor it gives to the map. Not all neutrals are just a bunch of Inf :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Gibraltar: 1 uk_fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to United Kingdom: 1 uk_fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        ANZAC buy 2 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
        1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4,3,6,2,2,4,6
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 18 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC Liberates DNG Turn4: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 25 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

EXP Game 1 Stahl F 4.tsvg

I moved 1 UK Ftr from Gib back to UK. I didn’t do anything to Phi.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Oh yea, so when a Waffen Arty is in an Army, you need to edit in “Waffen_ArtyPG”

so that it won’t give it’s boost to Inf and Pnzrgrndr waffen units

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm I wonder if I should change it and give it a blue dot ? :thinking_face:

lol

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm ok I changed it to blue

put in your units folder and images inside doc folder so it’ll show up in Notes too.

The inactive PG’s are blue and so is the inactive USA AG flag, so it seems more consistent to have it blue and hopefully intuitive as well :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm here’s the Tacs They should rarely be needed.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Hmm … I just reread the rules and i don’t think I have it right.

A Waffen-v Oberst-Gruppenführer that is part of
a Waffen-v Armée cannot be supported by
Waffen-v artillery.

Units in a Waffen-v Army cannot interact with
units outside this Army: a Waffen-v artillery unit
outside this Army cannot support a
Waffen-v infantry unit inside this Army, etc.

So it seems Waffen Arty Can support Inf and Pnzrgrndrs inside an Army, just not the Oberst.
And Paratroopers too.

So unless you just had Panzers and Arty in the Army, probably rare occurrence, you wouldn’t need to deactivate the Arty.

However, if you had an Arty outside the Army with nothing to support, you’d need to deactivate.

There are only two of them, so this seems as if it’d be a rare scenario to even need them.

Well, whatever, we have them and I will clarify in Notes.

I’ll check AGs next in case I have that wrong too. Actually I will ping @The-Captain to double check if the above is correct.

I’ll give @VictoryFirst a hit too so he knows whats up

[barnee]

@barnee said in PanzerStahl vs barnee EXP:

So unless you just had Panzers and Arty in the Army, probably rare occurrence, you wouldn’t need to deactivate the Arty.
However, if you had an Arty outside the Army with nothing to support, you’d need to deactivate.

these are the only two situations I see Waffen Arty needing to deactivate.

I will update Notes. Tac Bmbrs not being able to support Tank Armies is correct and already explained in Notes.

Another rare instance. Just want to be as rule compliant as possible :)

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Good morning. ✌️

I am going through your post and also through the rule book to plan my G5. There I will attack with my Army Group Center in Romania your 1 inf in Bessarabia (surprise 😉).

I have a few questions to Army Groups and their advantage. I struggle to understand, why only 1 army can be active within an Army Group? What is the purpose of this? Is the inactive Army not taking place in the battle?
The Army Group symbol has a movement of 2, but the attack and defense value is 0. According to the rules this should be 4 respectively 5 by 2 dices.

How do I dice out the battle in Bessarabia by using only my AG Center to attack your 1 inf? (the outcome will be clear for the AG to win, but future battles will involve more defense units)

Perhaps you can demonstrate it on my G5 turn and send me the file with the correct setup for this attack.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Guten Morgen

Only 1 Army Active in a AG means that the Inactive Army does not get it’s bonus rolls. Its still participates otherwise.

The AG symbol itself, same as the Army/Corps Tokens, are for Informational purposes. The Active Flag in the AG Box is what provides the A/D rolls of 4 and 5.

I will do an example in local mode and post momentarily.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm

EXP AG Center Example.tsvg

So 1st Panzer has “Panzer_General3” which makes it the Active Army in AG Center. 1st Waffen is Inactive as it has a “Waffen_Oberst” which gives no bonus rolls.
It would need a Oberst 2,3 or 4 to activate it’s bonus rolls.

The Active Flag gives 2 Rolls at 4. Do Not take the AG icon or the Army Tokens as hits. I only include them in the Attack for informational purposes. They don’t need to be.

You took 1 hit so you’ll reform AG Center with a Inf from Romainia.

Here is the NCM placing the AG back in there Boxes.

EXP AG Center Example NCM.tsvg

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Game Notes Section IV 3,4,5 and 6 explain in detail how they work as well as a partial explanation at the beginning of Notes.

It can get pretty involved, so one needs to be quite deliberate in there moves. I think in extremely large battles one will need to post after CM and in some cases might need to call casualties round by round.

Idk, this is only the 2nd game with Boxes and the 1st one is in rd 4 still, so it’s kind of a test as we go :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm The AG Flags were before the Boxes and Icons were created. I think it’d probably be ok to get rid of the Active Flag and give the icon it’s combat value. Idk. Have to think on it

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Actually we need to keep the Flag for when there are multiple AGs in the same TTy. Only 1 AG can be active.

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Hello,

I need your scramble orders for London.
Furthermore I am attackick with 2nd Waffen-SS-Army Poland. I activated Oberst_2 to activate the army.
In Bessarabia I am marching in with the Army Group Centre and 1st Panze army is accessoire only, hence deactivated.
I hope this is working.

exp-game-1-stahl-g-5_scramble.tsvg

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm what are they bombing in london

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm 2nd Waffen should have a Oberst3 as the Arty hits at 3. The 2 is for Inf boost.

It’ll be a edit Battle with the Paras, so no need to redo it, just adjust for another 3 hit obviously :)

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Darn, I did not select it.
The 2 bombers are aiming for the factory, the 2 tacticals for the air field.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm I will not scramble. This is the one part of the mod i don’t like. I think it could be improved.

I understand the blokes had radar early, so I can kinda see being able to vector your Ftrs where you want, but unless you have overwhelming Air Superiority, you’re probably only gonna hit one target.

I also think Undg Fctrys should take some damage. Maybe up to half and round up to the Fctrys favor.

Also think Air Battle shouldn’t be complete victory. Maybe 2 or 3 Rds max.

Would have to test it all but … :)

Anyway, I’m tempted to intercept the Bmbrs but i will not scramble and rely on my AA Gunners :)