PanzerStahl vs barnee EXP

[barnee]

@The-Captain Thanks Captain. That’s what I thought. I don’t know where simon got this because I can’t find it.

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2964

following turn ? Maybe that’s my misunderstanding ? I see no benefit fot JPN otherwise.

Anyway, @Panzerstahl-Helm I need to completely redo USA 2. I’m not sure if I can tho. I’ve never tried it after posting a turn already. Should be able to I’d think. Idk.

I’ll give it a shot. We’ll sort it one way or another :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm ok it’ll let me redo the turn in pbem. Be a while. I just got up to piss and checked for an answer.

[barnee]

@barnee said in PanzerStahl vs barnee EXP:

Can’t edit posts here :)

The more I think about it, in EXP, Natl Gd activates after JPN DOW on UK/ANZAC but USA still can’t DOW Axis until of end of rd 3.

The dudes are just being deployed.

? :)

wtf why did I even ask lol

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee
Good morning. I haven’t looked at the game map yet, but I guess in OOB the US can declare war after Japan DOW to UK/ANZAC. Thst is my understanding of the rules and I guess we used to play it in the normal G40 games.
Nevertheless, in case US cannot declare war to Japan yet, wouldn’t it be enough to adjust the income of the US (I think they receove a bonus when entering the war, so this amount could be reduced) instead of re-dping the whole turn?

BR

[barnee]

Hi @Panzerstahl-Helm yea Idk what’s up exactly. I asked Panther directly and haven’t heard back. I wish people would just answer the question instead of saying here’s the rules. I know where the rules are. That’s not what I’m asking lol

The Captain interprets it the way i do. USA is still Neutral after the JPN DOW Rd 2 on UK/ANZAC and must abide by All USA Neutral Rules including Movement Restrictions.
The National Guard does Deploy though.

That’s how I see it and how I’m gonna play it :) It makes no sense otherwise. There is no benefit for JPN not to DOW USA if USA can DOW and Attack the same turn, Rd 2, that JPN does it’s UK DOW.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm what got me all confused is triplea doesn’t do it that way. I know triplea isn’t perfect, but theres no mention of it anywhere in the Game Notes to Player Enforce and it’s been out for 15 years lol

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm OK after more discussion, triplea does it correctly and the latest save is legal.
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The United States may not declare war on any Axis power unless an Axis power either declares war on it first
or captures London or any territory in North America, or Japan makes an unprovoked declaration of war against the UK or
ANZAC, after which it may declare war on any or all Axis powers on its following turn.

[barnee]

@The-Captain so according to simon USA can Declare War against JPN Rd 2 in the above scenario. I don’t fully understand it other than it was Pacific map only specific maybe.

The above post is from the Global Political situation.

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Ciao!

As mentioned we used to play as we are proceeding in our game - if Japan declares war on UK/ANZAC, the US can declare war on Japan in the same round. Issue is the unclear definition of “turn” - is this meant to be round or turn in the meaning of each nations turn per round.
Anyway, I was expecting that the US will declare war and attack right on, as we used to play it in our gaming group.

For future this scenarion can be more clearly defined in the wording. Furthermore I would suggest that in our scenario, the US cannot attack in the same round as Japan declared war on UK/ANZAC, but gets in war mode at the end of the round by collecting the bonus income for beeing at war and that the minor ICs are promoted to major IC. Just like TripleA does when Japan (or Germany or Italy) does not declare war on the US (or Japan in addition to UK/ANZAC) and the US enters the war in round 4. The US collects the bonus income at the end of round 3 + major IC.

Anyways, this little ambiguity should not affect our game. I was ‘prepared’ anyways and knew, that the US cann and very likely will also attack Japan right after the DOW to UK/ANZAC.

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceItalians: Italians has 1 Rail placed in Southern Italy
        Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Italians takes Syria from French
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from 93 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        2 armour and 2 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Greece
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
        EDIT: 1 italian_para moved from Southern Italy to Syria
        EDIT: 2 Italian_LCVs, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Syria

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
            British win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
            Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Alexandria
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alexandria, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alexandria
            Italians win, taking Alexandria from British with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 fighters and 4 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in Greece, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 fighters and 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/8 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Greece, round 4 : 2/5 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveItalians: has removed 1 Rail owned by Italians in Southern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 12 PUs
        Trigger Italians AdvancedProduction: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 15 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -3,67
Neutral_Allies regular : 0,33
British regular : 0,33

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[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Hi Sorry for all the confusion last night :)

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Malta: 2 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Egypt: 2 uk_fighters and 1 uk_tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        ANZAC buy 3 Fortifications, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 43 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer
            Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 43 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 43 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 43 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 43 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 43 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 62 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 artillery moved from New South Wales to South Australia
        1 fighter moved from Sumatra to India

    Place Units - ANZAC
        3 Fortifications placed in Java
        1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Trigger ANZAC Liberates DNG Turn2: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 26 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
        1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
        1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.67
ANZAC regular : 0.33

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I moved that Malta Air to Egypt that I spaced.

Yea, Good Idea about keeping USA out until Rd 3 in that scenario. You might bring it up to The Captain.

I also think the U-boats should get there 1st Rd D3 even if attacked by Subs with no DD present. I’ve mentioned it to him.

There having a gaming convention this week in Denmark I think. Maybe they’ll discuss it then.

I think they do several per year. Not sure where at in Germany you are, but maybe you could make one sometime. If you’re interested.

Oh yea, so next time you buy those Waffen dudes that didn’t place, you can just edit the PU total correctly and place them so they don’t keep showing up as unplaced.

You probably already know that :)

[The Captain]

Hi Gentlemen,

United States can declare War on any or all Axis Powers, if Japan unprovoked attacks any UK/ANSAC units/territories. Or if Japan unprovoked attacks or declares War on USA.

Either way, the US can declare War on any or all Axis Powers from the end of round 3.

We just checked the OOB 2ndE rulebook…

Sorry for the misunderstanding…

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Sir,

I need your scramble orders in SZ 110.

Furthermore I reduced my IPCs from 66 to 65 and placed the 1 SS-Waffen-Infantery from my wrong purchase from round 2.
I will do the same with the SS-Oberst once I will be able to place him.

I also purchased an engineer, althoug I couldn´t find them in the rule book. Only the Combat Engineers are mentioned somewhere. I assume the regular Engineers have the same abilities, but less movement. In case the engineers are not available yet, I will replace it by a tank.

Very cool game so far and the new options and strategies that comes with the new units are amazing! I realy like it!
Also I am getting more and more used to the new unit-icons and they bring the game to a complete new level!

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[Panzerstahl-Helm]

I just noticed that I missed to move zhr italian AAA from Southern France to Bordeaux. I would move it in my German NCM, if ok for you.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm All Good. No scramble

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm oh yea, so the “Engineer” is the Combat Engineer. There’s a fair amount of edit with them depending on how you use them.

Should be explained in Game Notes. Actually here ya go

italici18. Combat Engineer Adds the Combat Engineer Unit. Use Edit for moving Minor Factories and removing Landmines. Also for landing at Landing Strips. Land the Air Unit in a legal area and then edit after Non Combat Move. Unit Image courtesy of Hepps. sed text

[Panzerstahl-Helm]

@barnee

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        triggerAttachmenEarly1941Red: has removed 1 Early1941 owned by Changer in Early 1941
        triggerAttachmenLate1940: has removed 1 Late1940_red owned by Changer in Late 1940
        triggerAttachmenEarly1941Red: Changer has 1 Early1941_red placed in Early 1941
        triggerAttachmenLate1940: Changer has 1 Late1940 placed in Late 1940
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing PUs for Germans from 66 to 65
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Germans buy 1 GermanUBoat, 1 German_Engineer, 1 Panzer_Grndrs, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 elite, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 waffen_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Place Units - Germans
        Units in Germany being upgraded or consumed: 2 infantry
        2 waffen_infantrys placed in Germany

    Combat Move - Germans
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceGermans: Germans has 2 Rails placed in Germany
        3 GermanUBoats, 1 Wolfpack, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 GermanUBoats, 1 Wolfpack, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 destroyer
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
            Germans win with 3 GermanUBoats, 1 Wolfpack, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveGermansItalyTakeover: has removed 2 Rails owned by Germans in Romania
        Trigger Urals Tank Unit: Russians has 1 armour placed in Urals
        2 infantry moved from Denmark to 112 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Alexandria
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Alexandria
        2 bombers, 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Syria
        2 German_LCVs and 2 Rails moved from Germany to Romania
        3 aaGuns, 3 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 2 waffen_infantrys moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        2 Waffen_Artys, 5 armour, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 waffen_infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Romania
        1 Panzer_General and 2 waffen_infantrys moved from Germany to Romania
        2 artilleries, 1 elite and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        EDIT: 1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux
        EDIT: 1 Panzer_General and 5 armour moved from Romania to 1st Panzer
        EDIT: 1 1stPanzerArmy moved from 1st Panzer to Romania
        2 Me_109Ts and 1 carrier moved from 93 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 Panzer_Grndrs and 1 fighter placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        1 destroyer placed in 110 Sea Zone
        1 GermanUBoat placed in 112 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 German_Engineer, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 elite and 4 infantry placed in Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Romania: 1 waffen_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 1 waffen_infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Germans undo move 4.
        1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 German_Engineer, 1 artillery, 1 elite and 2 infantry placed in Germany
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Romania: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUs
        Trigger Germans AdvancedProduction: Germans met a national objective for an additional 12 PUs; end with 56 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs

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[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm Sweet :) So for 1st Panzer to be Active, it needs to change to “Panzer_General3”

I will add him on the commies turn.

Also, I’ll clarify the Game Notes for the Engineer. If I rename it, the name gets to long and crowds another unit out of Purchase screen.

Also there’s 5 different, as that’s how triplea does there max builds, so that’s a lot of work. I think it’ll be ok once people play it a bit but thanks for pointing that out. It didn’t occur to me.

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Note to players Russians: <body><b>It is Early 1941 and The Soviet Union has Formed 2 Tank Armies.<br />You may purchase 1 Tank General per turn.<b></body>
        Note to players Russians: <body><b>It is Early 1941 and The Soviet Union has Tankograd Up and Running !<br />Russia receives 1 Free Tank per turn as long as they control the Urals.<b></body>
        Trigger TankGeneral: buyTank_General added to productionRussians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from 1st Panzer: 1 Panzer_General
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to 1st Panzer: 1 Panzer_General3
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Russians buy 1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 armour, 1 elite, 5 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 5 mine_unarmeds; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRussians: Russians has 1 Europe_Rail and 2 Rails placed in Russia

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        Trigger RailMovementAutoPlaceRemoveRussians: has removed 1 Europe_Rail and 2 Rails owned by Russians in Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bessarabia
        1 elite moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
        3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        10 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 elite moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 Soviet_Commisar and 1 armour moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Archangel
        4 mine_unarmeds moved from Bryansk to Belarus
        5 mine_unarmeds moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 Europe_Rail and 2 Rails moved from Russia to Buryatia
        1 Europe_Rail, 2 Rails and 3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Belarus
        6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
        2 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from Urals to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Belarus: 4 mine_unarmeds
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Changer to Belarus: 4 russian_mine_Oranges
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Bryansk: 1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to 2nd Corps: 1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Bryansk: 11 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to 1st Army Group: 1 1stCorps, 1 2ndCorps and 10 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Bryansk: 1 1stCorps
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from 2nd Corps: 1 2ndCorps
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from 1st Army Group: 1 1stSovietAG
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bryansk: 1 1stSovietAG
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 Soviet_Commisar, 1 armour, 1 elite, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 5 mine_unarmeds placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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COMMENT: 4 Orange LMs in Belarus Armed @ E POL

COMMENT: 2nd Corps Forms in Bryansk and along with 1st Corps Create AG 1

COMMENT: 3rd Corps Forms in moscow

Bit of a busy turn. Think I got it all :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm oh yea, so when you do Wolfpack Attacks, you need to use Edit or Dicebot.

Reason being is that right now I have triplea set up to give U-boats in a Wolfpack an A1 before regular Battle and if it hits it will Kill without giving the Defender a chance to Fire back.

Then the U-boats fire at 2 normally. This is to represent there Rd 1 hit at 3 attack and defense.

Paratroopers work similar.

I thought about removing it, but you have to Edit anyway, so for those that don’t want too Edit, it makes closer to EXP Rules.

It didn’t change anything in our Battle, just a heads up for the future :)

[barnee]

@Panzerstahl-Helm lol the Spifires and the Messerschmitt are mixing it up :)