L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis)

[MrRoboto]

By the way, my insight into the fleet placement last turn.

SZ20 off Kwangtung was the obvious choice at first.
However, you could have easily blocked me with 2 destroyers in 19 and 21 and then convoy 10-11 PU in SZ6 with subs, which is quite a lot.
Additionally, I would have to move north next turn, which is not where I want my fleet to be going forward - I prefer them closer to the money islands.

I could have tried staying in SZ and moving my destroyer north to amur, SZ5 - but then your sub in 16 would have lived and you could have attacked and probably killed that destroyer with the fighter+bomber in amur and the sub in 16.

Philippines had the same problem, PLUS I couldn’t have placed new ships as easily - they would have been unprotected by the main fleet.
On the flip side, I project more threats from philippines and I can’t be as easily blocked from reconquering Java.

SZ37 was no option, because my SZ6 fleet couldn’t reach that.

I toyed with the idea of stacking in the SZ at Guam, placing a harbour there. But that’s 15 IPC to prevent 11 convoy in SZ6, and the problem with not protecting the newly built ships remain…

[gamerman01]

Hold up, missed a stack of mech in my calc

[gamerman01]

@MrRoboto This looks very interesting, I will digest it when I come back, thanks!

[gamerman01]

I knew there had to be a reason I had several mech and tanks in Bryansk. I’ll get you the real end of my turn in a minute

[MrRoboto]

Now I am in SZ19.
I sacrifice Java for 1 turn (ideally), which is 9 IPC. So around what you could convoy in SZ6. However, I can more easily move south next turn (I hope) and I also protect the factory in shantung, which doesn’t need to be stacked with inf now.

[gamerman01]

OK, here is the version where you don’t smash Bryansk with 97% because I missed every single mech that is on Ukraine

R9 fixed.tsvg

[gamerman01]

That is fascinating. It will probably make more sense after J9.

So basically, it’s hell to have the US fleet at the Carolines.

I think you worry too much about the subs going to 6. They are out of range of getting back to US fleet for awhile, though they would harass the Eastern Asia seaboard. But now a couple are in the money islands and they can work along with the US fleet more easily. I can’t comment further now, of course.

Thanks for the response less than a turn later - it’s still fresh in our minds - sweet.

[gamerman01]

Did you see the 60%?

[gamerman01]

I don’t like some of the prices in the game, but 15 for a base seems to be perfect.

Tacs should be 10. Max.

[simon33]

@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

I forced gamerman into a +10.
I wonder if I could have brought him down even lower than that…

He chose the same I would have: sub in the Med, art in Sudan.

Good luck and have fun, sir!

@gamerman01

How did you manage to get him to agree to that?

[gamerman01]

My save file got buried, under our conversation, making sure you know it’s your turn -

R9 fixed.tsvg

[gamerman01]

@simon33 I’m a lot stronger with the Allies these days, and he knew that

[MrRoboto]

@gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

Did you see the 60%?

actually no.
My battle calculator says 28% chance to win after 1 round. This number seems more likely too.
I had 42 power, so 7 hits on average against your 9 units.

In both turns I hit less than average, so you got away cheaper than intended.

@gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

I don’t like some of the prices in the game,

Absolutely, and I agree with the tac. It got changed in PtV, which is one of the good changes imho.
One plane is 3/4 and one is 4/3, both should be priced the same. Right now there is little reason to build tacs.

But the cruiser is much worse. Buying a cruiser is the worst thing one can do.

And concerning the subs in SZ6: Yes maybe I worry too much. I did say that I’m uncertain what the best course of action would be there.
You already boiled it down to the main key: Preventing the US fleet at Carolines is the key for a successful Japan.
I let that happen because a big chunk of my fleet was stationed at Malaya and therefore out of reach of Carolines. Now why was that chunk at Malaya? Because of that whole ordeal with Ceylon in turn 6.

Was it worth it? I actually don’t know. You had 2 destroyers in the Indian ocean, preventing me from placing a sub to block the Indian NO. I wanted to get rid of them (and I did!). I also convoyed India. And I wanted to threaten the Persian factory, you actually gave me 20% on that!

All things considered, maybe I shouldn’t have gone to SZ19. I am getting convoyed now too, as you already noticed, additionally to losing Java.

[MrRoboto]

Japan9.tsvg

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 harbour, 9 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter moved from Japan to 17 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
        2 bombers moved from Anhwe to Burma
        2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 17 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in Iwo Jima
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Iwo Jima, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Iwo Jima
            Japanese win, taking Iwo Jima from Americans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Burma
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry
            British defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 2 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Burma, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Burma
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Burma, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Burma, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Burma
            Japanese win, taking Burma from UK_Pacific with 2 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        1 artillery moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State
        3 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
        4 infantry moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
        5 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 fighter moved from Manchuria to French Indo China
        2 battleships, 7 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 6 fighters, 4 infantry, 13 submarines, 8 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        1 artillery moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from Japan to Manchuria
        1 fighter moved from Japan to Shantung
        2 fighters moved from Japan to French Indo China
        1 fighter moved from 17 Sea Zone to Japan
        2 bombers moved from Burma to French Indo China
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 harbour placed in Hainan
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 36 Sea Zone
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 infantry placed in Kwangtung
        3 infantry placed in Shantung
        3 infantry placed in Manchuria

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2
        Japanese collect 57 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 57 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 60 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0,33
Japanese regular : 0,17
UK_Pacific regular : 0,00

[gamerman01]

@gamerman01 said in L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis):

My save file got buried, under our conversation, making sure you know it’s your turn -

R9 fixed.tsvg

I had USA all planned out, and then saw Bryansk is still the way it was when I missed 27 mech on Ukraine.
You may have overlooked the R9 fixed.tsvg in our back and forth.

This could affect Japan’s turn - the mech and armor wouldn’t be staring off the Japanese infantry in China.

Here is the edit done after Japan’s turn - all mech, armor and 2 fighters on Bryansk instead of Moscow.

Do you change your Japan move at all?

Don’t hesitate to tell me if you have any protest to this. I don’t know if you saw the R9 fixed file

US9 combat move.tsvg

[gamerman01]

@gamerman01 said in [L23 BM4 Gamerman (Allies+10) vs Roboto (Axis)]

Here is the edit done after Japan’s turn - all mech, armor and 2 fighters on Bryansk instead of Moscow.

All but one, rather.
You can see the “fixed” filename posted below, before Japan, which shows that 3 mech, 3 armor, 2 fighters are to be left on Bryansk

[MrRoboto]

Funny, I actually DID saw the file and downloaded it even!
I must have downloaded the older file too, before you made the fix.

When I finally did my Japan turn, I must have opened the wrong one.

I won’t change my Japan turn, go ahead with the Yankees. Although you can easily skip them, you know.

[gamerman01]

OK, that is what I was hoping to hear.

I’m looking forward to doing weird things around India, as you have already suspected. This has been very fun, and it’s always nice to play someone who you don’t wait on.

[gamerman01]

Scramble to 97?

US9 scramble.tsvg

[MrRoboto]

no scramble