Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Politics - Japanese Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Allies: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral Trigger Russians Allied Americans 5: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied Combat Move - Japanese Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese 1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar Japanese take Chahar from Chinese 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan 1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan 1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Japan to 37 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Philippines 1 fighter moved from Formosa to Philippines 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangtung 2 fighters moved from Japan to Kwangtung 1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangtung 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Kwangtung 1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Kwangtung 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Korea to Amur 1 fighter moved from Korea to Amur Combat - Japanese Americans scrambles 1 units out of Philippines to defend against the attack in 35 Sea Zone Battle in 35 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports Americans defend with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese Japanese win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 24 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine Battle in Philippines Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Hunan Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 3 infantry Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry Battle in Yunnan Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 5 infantry Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 3 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 5 infantry Battle in Kwangtung Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in 37 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 1 cruiser British defend with 1 battleship Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers and 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for British: 1 battleship Battle in Amur Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Amur from Russians with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Russians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Americans and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for British and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for French and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Dutch and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Neutral_Allies and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1 activates a trigger called: Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Olgiy Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Dzavhan Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Tsagaan Olom Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Central Mongolia Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Buyant-Uhaa Trigger Allies Friendly With Mongolians: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Americans:French:British:ANZAC:Chinese:Russians for territoryAttachment attached to Ulaanbaatar Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 1 activates a trigger called: Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2 Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Olgiy Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Dzavhan Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Tsagaan Olom Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Central Mongolia Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Buyant-Uhaa Trigger Japanese Conquer Russians Territory By Mongolia 2: Russians captures territory Ulaanbaatar Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to French Indo China: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Shan State: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Siam: 2 infantry EDIT: Changing ownership of French Indo China from French to Japanese EDIT: Changing ownership of Shan State from UK_Pacific to Japanese EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 fighter moved from Amur to Japan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi 2 bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi 1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 carriers and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi 1 artillery moved from Jehol to Chahar 1 artillery moved from Shantung to Jehol 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 2 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria Place Units - Japanese 3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 39 PUs; end with 44 PUsL23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis)
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Yes it’s probably because I had to redo the turn, because I forgot to save the file.
@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis):
Now I got so excited about that result, I forgot to save the file…
I have to redo the rest of the combat turn and will edit everything accordinglyWith “rest of the combat” I meant everything after I asked for your OOL
In the correct turn, I actually scored one hit less than in the one I saved and posted:
@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis):
Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 3 : 8/11 hits, 6,67 expected hits
This is consistent with the mail from Marti:
Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 3
Your dice are: 3,4,6,2,1,4,1,4,2,5,1Battleship: 3
2 bombers: 4 | 6
4 fighters: 2 | 1 | 4 | 1
4 tacs: 4 | 2 | 5 | 1Those are the 8 hits.
Now why did I (or we?) only receive those 2 mails and not more? Why did I not receive the mails when I had to repeat the turn? I have no idea, MARTI has been acting wild for quite some time now. In almost every turn, there are some mails missing.
This is an extremely annoying situation, since it creates an atmosphere of distrust. One thing we can do is rolling on the forum, even though this certainly is quite inconvenient. Maybe for bigger battles like that sea battle. Would you prefer that?
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@MrRoboto Ok, am I then correct that the save file that includes 9/11 hits is incorrect since you say that per the roll we received above “3,4,6,2,1,4,1,4,2,5,1” is 8/11 hits as is the Turn Summary above in round 2? The rest of the battle is then not valid?
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Exactly, the combats in the save-file are all just the repeated ones.
That’s why I had to edit in the tac and also the 2 inf in Normandy.The turn summary is what happened the first time and what counts
Sorry for the confusion - I probably should have done the repeat turn in local mode instead of “Play by Email”. I’m just so used to clicking “play by mail”, this is basically done without thinking at this point.
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I also don’t understand your edits of 2 infantry in NB. Also the tac in WG (Based on additional rolls not received?).
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@MrRoboto said in L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis):
Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
This is what originally happened.
In my redo of the turn, I lost those 2 inf.
I edited them backSame with the tac
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@MrRoboto But I got a roll where I hit with my inf i NB.
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Yes I have gotten that one too.
That’s the one where you hit (multiple times even!) in my redo of the turn.
I have no idea, why we didn’t receive the mails from the original combat
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@MrRoboto Ok, I only got that one roll which of course in itself doesn’t help us here…
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This happens all the time though.
Your attack on Tunisia only gives me the marti mail from your attack but not my defense:
Same with your attack on Sikang
I could find dozens of other examples
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In your latest attack on Szechwan, I only receive the dice mail from my defense but not from your attack:
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@MrRoboto But if you also rolled dice more than once in Live mode, all I can do is trust your word here?
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@MrRoboto By quickly looking I confirm we at least seem to get the same rolls.
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@MrRoboto I will ask for an outside opinion here to not cause any aggravation here. @gamerman01 please review if you have time.
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Unfortunately yes. That’s the state of League game right now.
There is a discussion going on too, in the General Discussion thread. Right now we have to live with the fact that we can’t be certain that everything is correct. Everyone can cheat right now and there’s not much we can do about it.
I propose something though: We can roll every major battle on the forum. If you’re feeling safer, we can actually roll EVERY battle here too. I don’t mind, even though it’s more work for us obviously.
And I want to extend an olive branch. That attack on 110 was only a hail mary to take as much with me as possible, it was never meant to succeed. I do know the feeling of being diced, believe me. I have had my fair share of games lost because of crazy dice results.
So, why don’t we pick up after the sub hits and roll everything again on the forum? -
@MrRoboto That’s very gracious of you. Let start by having a 2nd opinion here. I already chatted a bit with Gamerman yesterday so he has an idea what we are talking about. He did vouch for you which means a great deal here. Also your quick replies now is to me proof of your sincerity.
Not correlated to our game , but I actually caught someone cheating once (no longer playing here) and that probably affects my view on things unfortunately.
Thanks!
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I have too! Back in the days cheating was impossible to hide - they just had to rely on the opponents not checking.
But that’s over for now, I’m afraid.
And that’s why I took part in the discussion with the current uncertainness.
I noticed it a couple weeks ago in another game and I posted several bug reports on tripleA and also on this site because I want this resolved asap. -
@MrRoboto great 😊
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Excellent, gentlemen, I see the discussions are getting on very well.
I will wait to see if you come to a mutually satisfying resolution to the 110 battle or any others on that German turn. If either of you becomes uncomfortable, please contact me so that there are not negative feelings for either of you.
From what I’ve reviewed so far, I would tend toward Pejon’s cause because of the local vs. PBEM and forgetting to save issues were on MrRobotos end, but it looks like you two will resolve this well, and I do like the idea of rolling on forum for this game going forward. That’s not a ruling, it’s an opinion.
Very encouraging to see this kind of mature and kind behavior so far.
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Yeah we’re getting along fine :-)
I appreciate the discussion as well.
Do you accept my proposal of re-rolling the combat on the forum after the sub hits? Or do you have a counter proposal?
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@MrRoboto If you’re happy with that approach I say we go for it. You still have an edge by doing it this way (two hits with subs) which seems fair :)
Just want to clarify a couple of things. As we know we only get part of the rolls for any combat, but so far I’ve accepted that in my games since if I can verify the dice I actually get those in the save file are an exact match. Together with the correct Turn Summary etc. that’s been enough for me. But like Gamerman mentions, the use of the PBEM more than once giving contradictory dice, not saving properly etc. made it impossible for me to be at least somewhat sure that everything was in order.
With that said I don’t mistrust you, but this seems like a fair compromise.
Also, can we confirm how to go about going forward. I really don’t find it enjoyable to roll every single battle in the forum. If we can continue being careful with the saves and posting Turn Summaries I would prefer going back to how we’ve played previous rounds. I one of us is ever uncertain we can roll dice here too, but every battle? What do you think?
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