Should we make better rules for invadable neutrals? (1940)

[barnee]

Added this as an option to the triplea mod “Charles de Gaulle 1939”.

I like the sounds of what @piscolar came up with as well. I may take a crack at it. It’s a might more involved from a triplea standpoint though

[barnee]

Well, after looking at this a bit, I feel that Switzerland should get an Artillery maybe an AAgun. Dock them 2 Infantry. Just would look cooler. South Americans as well. The ones with bigger armies. Won’t matter from a defensive standpoint, well the AA would, but one less reason to mess with the Swiss :)

[barnee]

So gave venezuela, Argentina and Switzerland a Artillery and a AAgun. Docked them 2 Infantry. Gave Chile a Artillery and minus one Infantry. Idk if S Americans had AA are not ? I’d assume so. Switzerland surely did. Well, idk for sure but, it seems incomprehensible that they didn’t. They all had Artillery. Idk about Saudi Arabia. Sure they had some Cavalry :)

Anyway, I Just used edit. Didn’t change the default. Next time you check in @Charles-de-Gaulle let me know what you think and anyone else as well :)

[carsonbparker]

@barnee The Swiss had tons of anti-aircraft. Even though their air space was neutral the Swiss shot down over 30 aircraft during the war both on the axis and the allies if they drifted too far into Swiss air space. In the game I believe a fair assessment of the Swiss military should be around 7-8 infantry and a AAA .

[barnee]

@carsonbparker Thanks for the reply. I was just getting ready to look them up :) I used CDGs units, 6 inf, as a base, so they got 4 inf an artillery an a AAgun. I don’t see them getting attacked anyway. I mean it’s not worth anything and doesn’t do anything strategically, so…maybe a couple more infantry :)

It might be a little out of proportion to others though. Looks pretty cool with them :)

[barnee]

well my searching hasn’t turned up much. Questionable information at best :)

@CWO-Marc I know you posted some extensive stuff on Neutrals, which i stupidly didn’t bookmark :), do you have an opinion on the above South American Countries having anti air capabilities ? I can’t believe they didn’t. Well, I can, if given proof :relaxed:

[barnee]

I have yet to complete a full game, but I don’t see how Italy doesn’t dust UK Egypt. What can UK do ? Hmm…@Charles-de-Gaulle ?

Sorry i forgot Italy can’t move :)

[sjelso]

@piscolar What is the rule for the Turkey fortification?

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@charles-de-gaulle

I probably sound like an idiot asking this question, but I don’t think you ever clarified it:

Do the true neutrals still operate under the “attack on one is an attack upon all” or can the true neutrals be invaded separately without provoking the rest (of course, with Angola and Mozambique tied to Portugal, etc.).

[Charles de Gaulle]

@SuperbattleshipYamato They get activated independently of each other, unless a country has multiple territories (Spain has Western Sahara; Portugal has Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea; and Mongolia has 6 constituent territories.)

So if you attack a nation, you only need to fight its territories and ships. If you failed or opted not to take or destroy all of them, the remaining must be placed into the hands of an opposing power (similar to how neutrals in 1914 worked).

So if you attack Portugal as the U.S., the Axis will mobilize Portuguese colonial troops and receive income and control over all Portuguese territories and ships. You can pick Italy or Germany or Japan or even Romania if you’re playing with minor powers. But you must represent that nation with only one power: you can’t split them up.

But if you attack Saudia Arabia or any other neutral with only one territory, nothing else gets affected. They’re independent now, and typically have a decent military.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@Charles-de-Gaulle

Thank you so much for clarification! I was really confused and had to stop my game until a response.

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[barnee]

Hi @Charles-de-Gaulle Nice to see you :)

I’ve added your Neutral Rules to all the triplea mods I have done. Except for @Black_Elk s latest UHD map. https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39809/new-triplea-map-uhd-world-war-ii-global/12
Although they are available with @the-captain and Company’s mod with UHD :)

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36945/axis-allies-global-1940-house-rules-expansion

I think you will enjoy it :)

[Charles de Gaulle]

@barnee I a taking a look at that 1940 expansion. Really interesting and advanced stuff in there! Definitely something I’ll read deeper later.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@Charles-de-Gaulle

One more thing:

Can the US invade true neutrals even before it is at war?

[Charles de Gaulle]

@SuperbattleshipYamato In other variants we have allowed neutral superpowers to invade minor neutrals, and although I wouldn’t suggest it for a basic neutral expansion, it won’t hurt much. Venezuela is pretty much the only nation the U.S. could attack without violating its naval restrictions.

I would go ahead and allow it. Makes things more interesting.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@Charles-de-Gaulle

Thank you!

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@Charles-de-Gaulle

I noticed that you don’t allow the US to activate Brazil when neutral in another game (your blog). Would you say that applies to your rules as well? Thank you!