L23 2nd Ed OOB AndrewAAGamer (X) vs farmboy (Allies+60)


  • @oysteilo I realized after I posted that you asked for examples other than Yunnan. Apologies. I think this happens most clearly on the pacific side of the map with China and India and so Yunnan is pretty central to it. But there were a couple of turns where he had better than 90% on allied units in Burma and India. And here because I had a combined UK/China stack in Burma, he couldn’t attack and hold India. And although he would likely defeat the allies in Burma, it meant losing most of his land units and a significant chunk of his air. Later in the game, he also had options to attack Soviet/US/China stacks in Jehol and Manchuria. But again, there would be a significant cost and it meant pulling away from Southeast Asia.

    You can also, often, offer better odds on the US fleet as well if Japan is reliant on the carriers to land air. Since in those situations, the odds actually depend on Japan sinking the carriers and hence crashing the planes that could otherwise have a landing zone.

    In Europe, you can sometimes set up the same dynamic as in China and dare Germany to go for British or American units in Western Europe, and if he does, the soviets can have more room to maneuver.

    I’ve also had a couple of games now where due to a miscalculation, I gave my opponent an opportunity to attack my allied fleet with German air. It wasn’t planned and in both cases, the loss hurt, but it also meant my opponent lost a lot of German air which they actually needed to project power elsewhere.


  • I have been bullying Andrew earlier in my match, knowing he won’t take medium-odds battles such as a weakly-held Yunnan or the ANZAC fleet on turn 1. I would definitely have used my bid differently if I knew he was more willing to roll the dice. Probably best not to announce your play style so transparently as it can be exploited. I also reviewed the recent games against Oysteilo and others to find tendancies.

    I do take gambles on attacking the Allied fleet as Germany when playing against a stronger opponent. Those naval battles are very dicey so outcomes can deviate dramatically from the “average”. I managed to sneak a win against Axis Dominion once, not because I was the better player, but because I gambled in a strike off of Normandy. You have to accept those offers when your odds of winning the entire match is slim because the opponent is significantly better.


  • @arthur-bomber-harris said in L23 2nd Ed OOB AndrewAAGamer (X) vs farmboy (Allies+60):

    @govz I had given up all hope of a victory in the Pacific for Japan in that game. With so much effort to win on that side of the board, I knew the Axis would inevitably win in Europe.

    That’s why I’m so intrigued by this idea. If it can keep Japan from overrunning SE Asia into the mid-game - and it seems like it can - then that frees up 70+ in resources that can be used on the other side. I was already buying a fighter R1 to use against Japan so that cost is a wash. The sub in 39 is replaced by the Inf in Yunnan. The ships in 98, 71, & 72 stay or move toward the Med instead of India. Being able to Gibastion would totally change the balance of that game.


  • You can also, often, offer better odds on the US fleet as well if Japan is reliant on the carriers to land air. Since in those situations, the odds actually depend on Japan sinking the carriers and hence crashing the planes that could otherwise have a landing zone.

    I want Japan to attack my fleet. If the IJN wants to leave the safety of a port and get closer to the my US bombers, please bring it. I also probably have some subs in range for the counter attack. Plus ANZAC is around to clean up any leftovers.

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