Pacific 1940 review copy has arrived

[johnnymarr]

Per djensen

Here is a rough schedule of future previews:

• Tomorrow (Dec. 3, 2009) I’ll be posting more photos of the other units in the game. http://www.axisandallies.org/

• Later this week, I’ll post a high res photo of the map boards.

• I might have a post about the rules sometime before Sunday. If not Sunday, then after next Tuesday.

• I’ll be tweeting my first game on Sunday. http://twitter.com/axis_and_allies

• Next Monday or Tuesday I’ll have the game report from the Sunday game.

[xzorn]

The US did have a substantial fleet, but seeing as how:

1. The pearl harbor jazz won’t happen again, one would think, so the Japanese won’t have that advantage
2. They have time to build a bit more with a limited income before they join the war
3. Once they join they will have a LOT of cash to make more

I think it should be fine.

[oztea]

larry said something about the US player being “strongly encouraged” to keep ships in pearl harbor

perhaps National objectives like

Japan: 5 IPC if no allied ships are present in sea zone 26 or Japan controls Hawaii
US: 5 IPC if at least two allied ships are in sea zone 26 and US controls Hawaii

[Canuck12]

@oztea:

larry said something about the US player being “strongly encouraged” to keep ships in pearl harbor

perhaps National objectives like

Japan: 5 IPC if no allied ships are present in sea zone 26 or Japan controls Hawaii
US: 5 IPC if at least two allied ships are in sea zone 26 and US controls Hawaii

Well Honalulu is a victory city and it is also the most logical strategic staging point for any naval offensive by the United States (it is close enough to the mainland to send ships there in 1 turn so they are not left undefended in the middle of the ocean and its also decently close to the Japanese territories.

The US will have to station its fleet somewhere within striking distance of the Japanese and this aramada will most likley be attacked by the Japanese, Hawaii is simply the most logical place for this inevitability to occur.

[Tralis]

@Krieghund:

@djensen:

Krieghund, since the review copies are out, are you allowed to write up your thoughts on the game now? I’m sure you’ve played it a bunch already, no?

I’m too emotionally attached…

Then what are your favorite additions, changes, and mechanics?

[Krupp Steel]

Yes,please Krieg,share your experiences with us  8-),those who don’t have one of the most awesome jobs in the world! :mrgreen:

[idk_iam_swiss]

tomorrow they are posting more pictures I cant wait!

[Veqryn]

i am not sure i can read it well or not
can someone confirm what the beginning production is for each country?

I am seeing:

USA 17    (gets bumped up to …. 58? on turn 3)
Anzac 10
China 12
UK 16
Japan 26

and also
are there national objective with this one?

thx,
veqryn

[oztea]

the problem with stationing a fleet at hawaii is that as soon as the japanese make a lunge for it, the us can bulk it up or pull back

any “smart” us player will easily see an attack coming at least a turn ahead of time with the ammont of seazones involved

[djensen]

The latest preview: http://www.axisandallies.org/node/400

Enjoy.

[Canuck12]

Thanks djensen! We appreciate the effort!

Looks like the ANZAC sculpts are identical to the Brits, to be expected I guess… it’s not as if the Australians built their own Battleship…

Also, anyone know why Western US and India get an industrial complex AND an AA gun? I was under the impression that industrial complexes came with their own AA defense in this version.

[oztea]

“AA defense from strategic bombing” is incorperated with ICs
AA shots at air units in conventional combat is what an AA gun is for

or so ive heard……

[idk_iam_swiss]

So they posted the new units…sadly the mech infantry alll look the same. as to the new bombers. However it still looks awesome!

[Moderate Squid]

@Todd7912:

After WW1 America decided they would never fight another world war, so we scuttled a large portion of our Navy, cut military spending and reduced the armed services while we increased social programs in America and planned on avoiding conflicts in the world. This is why we were wholly unprepared for WW2. (In a nut shell)

Ironicly, we are beginning to do it all over again.

The US Navy in 1941 was the second largest navy in the world.

US Navy, 1941 (http://thedignifiedrant.blogspot.com/2007/10/why-we-have-half-of-worlds-naval-power.html)
17 Battleships
7 Aircraft Carriers
37 Cruisers
173 Destroyers
112 Submarines

Japanese Navy, 1941 (http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/3531646.html)
10 Battleships
10 Aircraft Carriers
38 Cruisers
112 Destroyers
65 Submarines

Royal Navy, 1939 (http://www.naval-history.net/WW2RN01-Introduction2.htm)
15 Battleships
7 Aircraft Carriers
66 Cruisers
184 Destroyers
60 Submarines

The US was behind Japan in the critical number of aircraft carriers, and had to be split between two oceans, but to pretend that the US was pacifist is to just pretend, and has nothing to do with history.

[Todd7912]

The US was behind Japan in the critical number of aircraft carriers, and had to be split between two oceans, but to pretend that the US was pacifist is to just pretend, and has nothing to do with history.

Sorry, I did not intent to hijak this thread. I wasn’t trying to imply that the US was pacifist. We were isolationist in the 30’s. I made the statement that we were “wholly unprepared.” It was an overstatment on my part. As I said at the end of the paragraph “in a nutshell.” That means a very brief overview. While the US has alway’s had the best equiped/trained/prepared military (at the same time being smaller than some others) we lacked commitment and resolve…BEFORE the war. (I believe Axis and Allies represents this by a small starting force). If we were determined, we would have been in France before Germany, and we would have been giving more aid in the battle of Britan.

Your research is well done and appreciated.

[Tralis]

No Chinese artillery? :-(

[Imperious Leader]

The American set up is made to balance the game.

The japanese battleships were modernized and faster. If the Hawaiian BB fleet in 1941 ever met 8 japanese BB in a showdown all 8 American ships would be sunk and perhaps one Japanese. Carriers stats are much closer, but japan had much better pilots early war.

The game cannot account for quality except to influence it with quantity since everything is treated with the same combat values.

Lastly, alot of the fleet was dispersed to the Atlantic or sold to UK ( 50 destroyers sold for naval bases).

The actual “pacific fleet” is smaller than the quoted figures.

[Bluecoat1861]

The US Pacfic Fleet had 8 Battleships, 12 Crusiers and roughly 100 Destroyers & 50 Subs spread out through the Pacfic, though the BBs and Crusiers where generally kept togther as a battle force.  Now that I have seen the actual numbers I agree with them whole hartedly as well as starting them on the US West Coast.  The US Navy stuck with the last of the War Plan Orange Ideas as best as best they could.  Those old Four Stacker destroyers were out dated hold overs from WW1 and were in fleet reserve till FDR “Leased” them to Britian as part of Lend lease.

So then, will anybody come up with different Starting Set-ups for different dates other the 1940 one?

[Todd7912]

I don’t know much about how to balance games like this, but it seems to me that if the US starts with a large navy, then gets the big economic boost, there would be no hope for Japan.

[idk_iam_swiss]

there never was to begin with. Japan never planned to Beat the US, just scare them away from the war.