crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions

[dawgoneit]

any one want to give me 60?

[farmboy]

@crockett36 I’m pretty rusty with OOB but I do understand that it is definitely the case that the allies need a hefty bid to make it competitive. But as I understand it, PTV slightly favors the allies (hence the low bids for axis) and BM is pretty balanced with the existing bids which hover around 20.

And although it would be fun to have bids that focus on things like historical accuracy, against an efficient axis player, its going to usually be most useful to have bids that prioritize turn 1 and either enable round 1 combats, deter round 1 combats, or perhaps delaying your opponent’s preferred DOW if they have a standard opening. If bid units are waiting until turn 3 or 4 to be brought into the game, they are often too late and effectively neutralized anyway.

[oysteilo]

I am losing my playoff game against Andrew with a 60 bid. In oob

I feel i have done a decent game but of coursw mistanke are made. I am probably too passive

Take a look

[simon33]

@dawgoneit said in crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions:

any one want to give me 60?

Yes. Send me your email and placements.

[simon33]

I narrowly won an OOB low luck game as allies with an 80 bid against Oysteilo.

[dawgoneit]

@simon33 What about a lend lease?

[dawgoneit]

@dawgoneit or what about a progressive deployment.
for example
Tussia 2 or so men a turn for 5 turns
and or
US a sub and a destroyer per turn
and or
UK a bomber a turn

I mean this just for example

[farmboy]

@oysteilo I did see that. It looks like quite an epic game. I think you are right that Andrew has the edge but you have made it pretty tough for him. I had some thoughts but want to save those for when the game is done.

[oysteilo]

@farmboy said in crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions:

@oysteilo I did see that. It looks like quite an epic game. I think you are right that Andrew has the edge but you have made it pretty tough for him. I had some thoughts but want to save those for when the game is done.

desperate times calls for desperate moves…

[oysteilo]

I dont think I give away anything in my current game by writing this. In big bids game, like mine, @ 60 for allies I currently think this:

+8 for russian art in far east. This is a long term investment, maybe for round 5,6,7,8,9 depending. Also all 18 inf should stay (protect round 1 though) There is no need to retreat these to save moscow. it is much more important to keep the income. Ideally a fighter should be present too.

Also the bid should be 2 fighters for russia to reach yunnan round 1 and a chinese inf in yunnan +23 total. This will give you chinese art no matter what japan does. Maybe one of these fighters should go to russia far east round 2 or 3.

Still +29 to bid. All of this goes to the british. fighter in scotland and 3 subs. Placement is up for debate, but egypt and canada for sure

The problem is if Japan says screw it and goes big time for India. I think this is where I failed

[oysteilo]

And the only reason I am still alive is the must have Russian money in Africa. grab all of it, but at least 3, dont be afraid to kill other stuff to get this. 3 inf extra every round for moscow is why you can leave the 18 inf in far east. Essential!

[farmboy]

@oysteilo I think those are good choices. If your opponent does a J1 consistently, it is probably worth getting more units that can reach India as well. so maybe the British can do without a sub and the Soviets without an art.

[simon33]

@oysteilo The Scottish fighter is great but I think if you have 16+ left, the SZ98 sub and Malta fighter for a CV-less Taranto is a great move.

[simon33]

Also the Yunnan stack strategy might be over hyped. I would be inclined to favour:
sub sz98
sub sz106
ftr Scotland
ftr Malta.
DD 91.

That is 40 there.

[dawgoneit]

@simon33 what about doing tech. maybe thats what the allies need.

[oysteilo]

@dawgoneit said in crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions:

@simon33 what about doing tech. maybe thats what the allies need.

Allowing the allies to bid a tech is a nice idea. O like it! Jet fighter would be awesome or heavy bombers or super subs!

[crockett36]

If you do a Russian bid of 10!infantry you make it worth it to bring the Siberian troops back. This pushes Moscow back past round 10, maybe more.

In this scenario, you could take the fast movers south and make money and secure me

[crockett36]

I would recommend trying this and not just theorizing or relying on consensus. I m probably wrong, but I just might be right. Sounds like a country song.

The English navy in the Atlantic is still needy. It’s like an ipc black hole. 10 Russians (half of a sixty bid) and Germany is now calling Japan with the message, “It’s up to you! I’ll keep them busy for as long as I can.”

[AndrewAAGamer]

@crockett36 said in crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions:

@crockett36 In case you missed it. Andrew said he’s NEVER played the allies on this site. That’s how imbalanced he thinks it is. Who in the world is going to give him 60 ipcs to play the Allies? Someone’s got to do it!

So based on this comment I went back and checked my record since joining the League. Since 2020 I have completed a total of 18 Global 1940 OOB 2nd Edition games. I am16-2. In ONE game I was the Allies with a 60 Bid. I won that game.

• Axis Record with Allied Bid of $57 or less = 9-0
• Axis Record with Allied Bid of $58-$60 = 6-2
• Allied Record with Allied Bid of $60 = 1-0

[Booper]

I suspect there is a lot of game play/strategy differences that come into play for someone to win as Axis against a ~60 Allies bid.

Maybe the best way to balance is to play 2 games, flipping sides with the same bid. Of course, dice luck can also come into play, so not a perfect measure.