PTV 23 666 +12 axis v ArtofWar

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

Good point. The Russian AA was accurate, but Russian D underperformed somewhat until the third and last round.

Interesting opening for Japan; was not expecting an attack on Siberia.

[666]

@artofwar1947 you’ve been playing a lot, and against some strong players. Figured I needed to mix it up, try to get you off balance…if you are going left, I’ve got to go right, right?

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

You have my attention and wondering what’s next, that’s for sure.

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

The UK Fighter from Malta was supposed to attack the Italian DD in 98 but some how ended back in Malta. With your permission, I’ll roll for it on the Forum. Between this and the Chinese debacle, I don’t think I should have played today.

[666]

@artofwar1947 said in PTV 23 666 +12 axis v ArtofWar:

@666

The UK Fighter from Malta was supposed to attack the Italian DD in 98 but some how ended back in Malta. With your permission, I’ll roll for it on the Forum. Between this and the Chinese debacle, I don’t think I should have played today.

yeah, go ahead

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

Thanks.

[dice 1d6<=3]

[dicebot]

1d6<=3: 3; Hits: 1

[666]

@artofwar1947 you were just being greedy in China…

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

95% chance of winning; still should have added a fourth infantry.

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[666]

@artofwar1947 said in PTV 23 666 +12 axis v ArtofWar:

@666

95% chance of winning; still should have added a fourth infantry.

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I’ve lost too many 3inf and fgt vs lone inf to even attempt that if it is important…

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

Although the average outcome for winning was 1 inf and a fighter (and taking back Yunnan), Chinese were just trying to wipe out the Japanese inf and art. Figured 4 inf was overkill and a waste. Did not count on Marti hostility to common sense.

[666]

Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
              Italians take Kenya from British
        1 armour moved from Albania to Bulgaria
        1 armour moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from Tobruk to 98 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to 98 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to Greece
        1 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
              Italians take Alexandria from British
        1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
              Italians take British Somaliland from British
        1 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Greece, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Greece, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                4 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
            Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
        1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya

    Place Units - Italians
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4
        Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0.00
Neutral_Allies regular : -2.00

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[ArtofWar1947]

@666

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[666]

@ArtofWar1947

Game History

Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 8 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
        Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Established Switch: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 unit repaired.
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        5 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians

    Combat - Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 14 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        2 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Baltic States
        6 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
        5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
        1 armour moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 aaGun moved from France to Holland Belgium
        2 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany
        1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania

    Place Units - Germans
        6 artilleries and 4 infantry placed in Germany
        2 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 116 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 128 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,3
        Germans collect 39 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 39 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Territory Summary for Germans :

Western Germany : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 3 fighters, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
Holland Belgium : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
Romania : 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Slovakia Hungary : 1 aaGun
Germany : 5 armour, 6 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 6 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Karelia : 1 flag, 6 infantry
Bessarabia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Vyborg : 1 flag, 1 infantry
Baltic States : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 3 armour, 3 artilleries, 15 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys
Southern Italy : 1 fighter
Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
Finland : 1 flag
Bulgaria : 1 flag
112 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
116 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport
109 Sea Zone : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 47
Russians : 39 / 46
Japanese : 37 / 47
Americans : 53 / 54
Chinese : 10 / 10
British : 29 / 39
UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
Italians : 15 / 15
ANZAC : 13 / 13
French : 1 / 0
Dutch : 5 / 0
Mongolians : 0 / 0
Neutral_Axis : 14 / 0
Neutral_Allies : 3 / 0
Neutral_True : 20 / 0

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[666]

@ArtofWar1947 use this file, replacing a ss with a trn…

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[ArtofWar1947]

@666

If I understand the rule correctly, the Soviet sub in SZ 116 requires the German ships, including the TTs, to remain in the SZ and fight or move to another SZ. So, the TTs could not load troop during either the CM or the NCM afterward. Moreover, having been in combat, the TTs could not move during the NCM. As moving to SZ 117 would involve creating a contested SZ, the TTs can load there either during the CM or NCM. During the CM, the TTs could move to SZ 11 but then could not reach SZ 118 during the NCM. Is this your understanding? If not, I need to reconsider the subs NCM.

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[ArtofWar1947]

@666

Good grief. was so involved in thinking about the sub, I forgot to move the tank and MI from the Ukraine to Bryansk.

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

…and two infantry in Russia to Bryansk. A mind is a terrible to thing to lose.

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@artofwar1947 said in PTV 23 666 +12 axis v ArtofWar:

@666

If I understand the rule correctly, the Soviet sub in SZ 116 requires the German ships, including the TTs, to remain in the SZ and fight or move to another SZ. So, the TTs could not load troop during either the CM or the NCM afterward. Moreover, having been in combat, the TTs could not move during the NCM. As moving to SZ 117 would involve creating a contested SZ, the TTs can load there either during the CM or NCM. During the CM, the TTs could move to SZ 11 but then could not reach SZ 118 during the NCM. Is this your understanding? If not, I need to reconsider the subs NCM.

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It is my understanding that a surface warship will stop ships from loading troops and that hostilities must take place. A sub can be ignored if desired….maybe my understanding is wrong?

[ArtofWar1947]

@666

Clearly, if the Germans attack the Soviet sub in SZ116 while the TTs are there, the TTs cannot move during the NCM. If there is no attack on the sub you may be right about escorting the TT elsewhere during the NCM for pick up and drop off. So, put the sub back in SZ 116.