I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Nuclear Iran
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The flaw in your arguement is deciding WHO is a “responsible nation”. What standard do you hold EVERY NATION by?
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The flaw in your arguement is deciding WHO is a “responsible nation”. What standard do you hold EVERY NATION by?
You dont think that their are standards that you can hold nations too? You dont beleive in truth? I doubt it.
What do you think of dictatorship, One-Party rule, genocide, controlled press and speech, North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan?
It is common and reasonable to treat these nations as irresponsible and evil. So you agree with me on some level you can judge nations. Of couse there are no absolutes and things get commplicated when you ally with a nation like the Soveit Union, but some times you have to befriend bad guys to get bad guys because it would be foolish to take every jerk on at once.Truth and justice makes up the good, and to do the good is ultimatly the purpose of any person or state.
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whoa. thers no need to get uppity. I just meant who decides whos “good” or “bad”. what if the one calling everyone “bad” is themselves guilty of what they accuse.
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Those who think they know the truth no longer seek the truth.
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whoa. thers no need to get uppity. I just meant who decides whos “good” or “bad”. what if the one calling everyone “bad” is themselves guilty of what they accuse.
I dont see your point, the knowledgeable and resonsponsible can decided the good and explain to everyone else what the should be done and for what reason. And if you call someone out for something that you yourself do, that is hypocrasy.
@Brain:
Those who think they know the truth no longer seek the truth.
Of course, but it would be foolish to suggest that simply because no one has the whole picture that it is wrong to act on the part of picture/truth that is persived.
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The flaw in your arguement is deciding WHO is a “responsible nation”. What standard do you hold EVERY NATION by?
Of couse there are no absolutes.
Of course there ARE absolutes. Countries differ in some ideas, but core laws have been in place since civilization started. Man has viewed murder as wrong. Think of a country where people were admired for running in the face of battle , or where a person felt proud of doublecrossing all the people who had been kindest to them. Why do you think the bizarre cases where mothers kill their children are so hard to accept?
Whenever you find a person who says Right and Wrong do not exist, you will find the same person going back on this a moment later. That person may break their promise, but if you try breaking one to them, they will complain.
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Of course, but it would be foolish to suggest that simply because no one has the whole picture that it is wrong to act on the part of picture/truth that is persived.
Okay Pontius Pilate
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I wouldn’t put Israel in the good guys yet. Seems like they are hated by most of their neighbours for some reasons (and not just because they hate them, but it seems Israel isn’t exactly kind neither). Plus, at the moment, UN is accusing Israel of War crimes (much like the terrorists).
But even so, I still believe, based on personal feelings, that Israel is a better country than Iran to live in. Women have much more rights in Israel I believe. More freedom, etc. They can be criteria, some kinds of criteria. But I doubt everyone would agree on those criteria.
Say us WEstern. We believe in freedom of speech. So a country is “better” than another one if that freedom of speech is more guaranteed.
Now, there are cultures in this world that does not believe in freedom of speech.In my opinion, freedom of speech is a fundamental right. But how are we to argue with someone that has a completly different logic than ours? This is usually the problem with Middle-East. Islam mostly. Their women, for example, in some countries, never knew “equality” with men. To them, its absolutely normal to be inferior to men.
Now, to us, clearly, this is barbaric. But again, its in their culture/religion.There might be absolutes. But to find them, we must first have an international agreement. Not all countries have signed the human rights chart.
We should criticize them. But we shouldn’t try to force them into thinking like us even if we are right (I sincerely hope we are right). -
@ABWorsham:
The flaw in your arguement is deciding WHO is a “responsible nation”. What standard do you hold EVERY NATION by?
Of couse there are no absolutes.
Of course there ARE absolutes. Countries differ in some ideas, but core laws have been in place since civilization started. Man has viewed murder as wrong. Think of a country where people were admired for running in the face of battle , or where a person felt proud of doublecrossing all the people who had been kindest to them. Why do you think the bizarre cases where mothers kill their children are so hard to accept?
Whenever you find a person who says Right and Wrong do not exist, you will find the same person going back on this a moment later. That person may break their promise, but if you try breaking one to them, they will complain.
I dont know what your point is, if you read my statement, which you must have, i am not contridicting right and wrong i am just recognizing that things can become complicated and not simple(simple is what i meant instead of absolute).
Although generaly seen as wrong, there is a time for killing, for fleeing a battle, and for backstabing those who have been kind to you.
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I wouldn’t put Israel in the good guys yet. Seems like they are hated by most of their neighbours for some reasons (and not just because they hate them, but it seems Israel isn’t exactly kind neither). Plus, at the moment, UN is accusing Israel of War crimes (much like the terrorists).
But even so, I still believe, based on personal feelings, that Israel is a better country than Iran to live in. Women have much more rights in Israel I believe. More freedom, etc. They can be criteria, some kinds of criteria. But I doubt everyone would agree on those criteria.
Say us WEstern. We believe in freedom of speech. So a country is “better” than another one if that freedom of speech is more guaranteed.
Now, there are cultures in this world that does not believe in freedom of speech.In my opinion, freedom of speech is a fundamental right. But how are we to argue with someone that has a completly different logic than ours? This is usually the problem with Middle-East. Islam mostly. Their women, for example, in some countries, never knew “equality” with men. To them, its absolutely normal to be inferior to men.
Now, to us, clearly, this is barbaric. But again, its in their culture/religion.There might be absolutes. But to find them, we must first have an international agreement. Not all countries have signed the human rights chart.
We should criticize them. But we shouldn’t try to force them into thinking like us even if we are right (I sincerely hope we are right).Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=player_embedded
The UN is not useless, its evil, a PR tool of terrorists.
I dont want to get into an arguement about religion, but although it is important to understand somones culture and relgion to understand where they are coming from, it is not good enough to say something is okay because of religion or culture, because they are traditions and are not nessisarly logical or rational. It was the culture of the South to have slaves, it was the culture of Europe to hate Jews.
And in regards to freedom in islamic soceity, your also assuming that simply because you want to discuss these issues, that islamic extremist want to discuss these issues to. You dont properly grasp their culture, they dont want to discuss anything with you because your an infidel. To them your part of a hedonistic culture that they feel should be destoyed and and the wost of them will fight us until we are all converted.
Even if the majoirty of muslims embrace western values, the islamists have all the power and fear, and their influence and is only growing, especailly in western Europe.
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I wouldn’t put Israel in the good guys yet. Seems like they are hated by most of their neighbours for some reasons (and not just because they hate them, but it seems Israel isn’t exactly kind neither). Plus, at the moment, UN is accusing Israel of War crimes (much like the terrorists).
But even so, I still believe, based on personal feelings, that Israel is a better country than Iran to live in. Women have much more rights in Israel I believe. More freedom, etc. They can be criteria, some kinds of criteria. But I doubt everyone would agree on those criteria.
Say us WEstern. We believe in freedom of speech. So a country is “better” than another one if that freedom of speech is more guaranteed.
Now, there are cultures in this world that does not believe in freedom of speech.In my opinion, freedom of speech is a fundamental right. But how are we to argue with someone that has a completly different logic than ours? This is usually the problem with Middle-East. Islam mostly. Their women, for example, in some countries, never knew “equality” with men. To them, its absolutely normal to be inferior to men.
Now, to us, clearly, this is barbaric. But again, its in their culture/religion.There might be absolutes. But to find them, we must first have an international agreement. Not all countries have signed the human rights chart.
We should criticize them. But we shouldn’t try to force them into thinking like us even if we are right (I sincerely hope we are right).Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feature=player_embedded
The UN is not useless, its evil, a PR tool of terrorists.
I dont want to get into an arguement about religion, but although it is important to understand somones culture and relgion to understand where they are coming from, it is not good enough to say something is okay because of religion or culture, because they are traditions and are not nessisarly logical or rational. It was the culture of the South to have slaves, it was the culture of Europe to hate Jews.
And in regards to freedom in islamic soceity, your also assuming that simply because you want to discuss these issues, that islamic extremist want to discuss these issues to. You dont properly grasp their culture, they dont want to discuss anything with you because your an infidel. To them your part of a hedonistic culture that they feel should be destoyed and and the wost of them will fight us until we are all converted.
Even if the majoirty of muslims embrace western values, the islamists have all the power and fear, and their influence and is only growing, especailly in western Europe.
I agree with Emperor, the U.N is not a chivalist organization. It’s greatly flawed and corrupt.
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Let me chime in on this discussion with some information I have learned firsthand. I spent the last year having discussions with detained suspected terrorists. I can’t get into allot of details. But I can tell you I’ve learned allot about a sect of Shia Islam known as Imami Shia. Imamist believe that the “Antichrist” is a force of evil they see this force manifested in the US and its colony Israel. They believe that prior to the return or the Twelfth Imam - Muhammad ibn Hasan who has been in hiding for over 1000 years, the world must be descended into apocalypse. The Imamists believe that war with the west is inevitable and the result will be the reemergence of the twelfth Imam as well as Jesus, the resurrection.
90% of Iran is Imamist Shia including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Khomeini.
For me that is reason enough to do everything we can to keep Iran from getting Nuclear weapons.
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99% of the world population suffers from mass delusion.
Religion is like a widespread disease, everyone is being brain washed to beileive the version of the god or gods been imprinted into their crazed mind is the ‘‘right and only one real truth’’.
They can’t even think by themselves. They go about their live without challenging anything intellectually, always going the easy route. Race, religion, country… like theses things had any meaning. It’s the same sh*t everwhere.
So why would I care if Iran get the bomb based on some assumption of their religion? In my mind, anyone who beleive in religion is a dangerous monkey, so we cannot be worse than we already are far being close to a total global human failure.
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@Corbeau:
In my mind, anyone who beleive in religion is a dangerous monkey, so we cannot be worse than we already are far being close to a total global human failure.
Sure, religion is baseless, but to say everyone who beleives in relgion is a dangerous monkey is quite bigoted. 100% of the world suffers from mass delusion, even if your a non-belevier everyone is crazy in their own way and in ways common to others.
Imamist Shiaism does sound scary, but I feel Iran is simply a threat because they are a geopolitical rival. The Islamistisation of Islamic youth around the world and particularly in western euorpe is a whole nother issue, although it is equally if not more grave.
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I spent the last year having discussions with detained suspected terrorists. I can’t get into allot of details.
can we have some more details?
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If you can believe in religion, you can believe anything.
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hooray! desert pinguens!
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……and polar vultures.
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Why has this post taken the direction of attack people of faith?
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It is not an attack, it is just another point of view.
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