Oh I forgot the walk to Alexandria. I will add that on NCM.
L22 playoff game Pejon_88 (X) vs. Farmboy (A+17), BM3/4
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Yes, transports can attack with the fleet and retreat with the fleet (to an eligible retreat zone)
What you can’t do is attack a fleet with only transports/aircraft carriers and then retreat. Kreighund answered my question to that a long time ago, saying there has to be one unit with a combat value. Shoot! Imagine the possibilities!
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Also, that transport could have retreated (to 112) even if all other attacking units were destroyed.
I can cite chapter and verse if necessary, but won’t bother if you don’t need me to
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@gamerman01 no we should all be good as there wasn’t really a dispute. Pejon was hoping he could do it but didn’t think the rules allowed it. I was pretty sure the rules did allow it, but was hoping he couldn’t. :)
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@pejon_88 And yeah, our naval dice were quite well matched (I was quite afraid in forcing you to attack that I might end up having terrible dice and paying for it.). But I had great land dice which at least makes the transport sacrifice worth it.
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Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 fighter and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Smolensk to Archangel 1 fighter moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 fighter moved from Russia to Archangel 1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Belarus 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk Combat - Russians Battle in Bryansk Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Bryansk Russians win, taking Bryansk from Italians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Archangel Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Archangel Russians win, taking Archangel from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Belarus Russians attack with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia 1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia 1 fighter moved from Archangel to Russia 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 17 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Russia 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 1 fighter and 5 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUs Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 25 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 27 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -0.33 Germans regular : -1.00 Russians regular : 2.17 -
@farmboy Haha well put!
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Yes I think this section, page 32 in the EU rulebook, explains it:
Unit Characteristics
No Combat Value: Even though a transport can attack
or defend, either alone or with other units, it has a
combat value of 0. This means that a transport can’t fire
in the attacking units’ or the defending units’ fire steps.
Transports may not attack without being accompanied
by at least 1 unit with an attack value, unless they are
conducting an amphibious assault from a friendly sea
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@farmboy Yeah even battles always have that inherent risk. Yup!
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Intercept in India? One fig + 2 bombers. You have one fig.
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@pejon_88 no intercept
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@farmboy I took a wrong mech to attack Shensi from what I meant. No difference in the battles. Hope that’s ok?
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@pejon_88 all good
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@farmboy Thanks. You’ll see it in the edit during NCM. Btw your defense dice are killing me…
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 2 fighters, 6 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Shantung to 19 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 3 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 1 armour moved from Sikang to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi 1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi 1 fighter moved from Shantung to 21 Sea Zone 2 bombers moved from Philippines to India 1 fighter moved from French Indo China to India 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Java 2 fighters moved from French Indo China to Java 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Guam 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam 2 carriers and 1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Shensi 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Java Combat - Japanese Air Battle in India Japanese attacks with 3 units heading to India Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets Strategic bombing raid in India 1 bomber killed by AA Bombing raid in India rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_major Bombing raid in India causes 6 damage total. Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports ANZAC defend with 1 transport Japanese win with 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport Battle in 21 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 transports Americans defend with 1 transport Japanese win with 1 fighter and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Americans: 1 transport Battle in Java Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers ANZAC defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Guam Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Americans defend with 1 airfield and 2 infantry Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Battle in Shensi Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Chinese defend with 3 infantry Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9 Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from India to Burma EDIT: 1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Sikang 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow 1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Hunan 2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Anhwe 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 21 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 1 fighter moved from Philippines to Paulau Island 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Paulau Island 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Guam to 21 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 2 carriers moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone Place Units - Japanese 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Japan 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Korea 3 infantry placed in Shantung 3 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs -
@pejon_88 yeah, that has been a plus. In both your game and in my game with @aequitas-et-veritas, my 2 units in Guam both scored 2 for 2 at exactly the same time (2:06 PM in my case).
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It still hurts!
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@aequitas-et-veritas sorry! :)
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@farmboy What a coincidence!
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Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 4 submarines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Non Combat Move - Americans 1 carrier moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from India to 54 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 2 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 5 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 3 submarines and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 fighter moved from Wake Island to Queensland 1 submarine moved from 23 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Midway to 54 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 3 fighters moved from Western United States to Midway 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to 94 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 3 mech_infantrys moved from Tobruk to Egypt 1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to India 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Cyprus 2 fighters moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Cyprus 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States 1 carrier, 3 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 2 infantry placed in Manchuria Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 artillery, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific repair damage of 4x factory_major; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Combat Move - British 3 units repaired. 1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus Russians take Caucasus from Italians 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia Combat - British Non Combat Move - British 1 marine moved from Sicily to 95 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 cruisers moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 2 marines and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 2 submarines moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 3 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Eastern Persia 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Tunisia to 94 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 2 carriers moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 4 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 92 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Northwest Persia to Cyprus 1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to Cyprus 1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq 1 fighter moved from Northwest Persia to Cyprus 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan 1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 submarine placed in 98 Sea Zone 1 destroyer placed in 81 Sea Zone 1 marine placed in Egypt 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Persia 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom 1 destroyer placed in 106 Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 36 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 39 PUs Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs Objective British 2 Southern Europe Beach Head: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 45 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 5 PUs; end with 8 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry -
Round: 8 Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 artillery and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Sardinia 3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Sardinia 1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Bryansk 1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Bryansk 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus Italians take Caucasus from Russians 1 armour moved from Samara to Timguska Italians take Novosibirsk from Russians Italians take Timguska from Russians 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Tsinghai Italians take Tsinghai from Chinese 1 armour moved from Samara to Vologda Italians take Vologda from Russians 1 armour moved from Vologda to Urals Italians take Urals from Russians Combat - Italians Battle in Sardinia Italians attack with 4 fighters British defend with 1 marine Italians roll dice for 4 fighters in Sardinia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 2,00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 marine in Sardinia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 marine owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Italians lost in Sardinia Italians win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5 Casualties for Italians: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 1 marine Battle in Bryansk Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Bryansk, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Bryansk Italians win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Italians 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus 1 infantry moved from Tambov to Samara 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Tambov 1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Caucasus 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 3 fighters moved from Sardinia to Southern Italy 1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Ukraine Place Units - Italians 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 27 PUs; end with 27 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -3,00 Russians regular : -0,67 British regular : 0,67 -
Game History
Round: 8 Purchase Units - ANZAC ANZAC buy 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - ANZAC Non Combat Move - ANZAC 1 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland 1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 46 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 marine and 2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone Place Units - ANZAC 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone Turn Complete - ANZAC ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs Combat Move - French Non Combat Move - French 3 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk 1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone Turn Complete - FrenchCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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