pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM

[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard ScrambleG11 scramble request.tsvg

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

y, scramble

Is there an American sub remaining in sz91?

Don’t kill aaa in Burma first round of combat!

[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard So yes or no on the scramble Gibraltar?
You hit with planes and I could not take the sub as a causality.
I will ask for OOL

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

Yes, scramble please

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray said in pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM:

@pacifiersboard So yes or no on the scramble Gibraltar?
You hit with planes and I could not take the sub as a causality.
I will ask for OOL

I think that you have to assign as many hits as possible and wasn’t there my dd present?

[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard Brit11 OOL Burma.tsvg OOL

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

kill 8 inf.

I stil don’t understand how the American sub could retreat to sz91 where no ship came from.

[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard The Sub was in southern France and if I don’t have a dest i cant take it as a causality.

[GeneralDisarray]

@generaldisarray Rd OOl 1 hitbrit11-ool-burma rd 2.tsvg

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

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[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray said in pacifiersboard (X) vs GeneralDisarray (L +20) BM:

@pacifiersboard The Sub was in southern France and if I don’t have a dest i cant take it as a causality.

( @gamerman01 )

isn’t it in such case about the enemy having a dd present?

[gamerman01]

Interesting -

Here’s what I see -

Sub started in 92, not South France.
The USA sub that survived round 1 did not roll in round 2. The German destroyer was still present, so submerge should not be allowed, and I don’t see anything in the history about a submerge. This might have something to do with why the engine let the sub stay in 91.

With the German destroyer there, the sub can’t submerge. It should have fired in round 2 but didn’t, that I could see. With the retreat, the bombers disengage and the sub would retreat to one of the sea zones that sea units passed through/came from.

Tell me what I missed, but looks like a Triple A glitch to me

Hope that helps you both. I think the sub needs to be rolled for round 2.

[gamerman01]

I don’t trust Triple A with sea battles because sometimes it doesn’t do subs and destroyers right, but this is a new one to me

[pacifiersboard]

@gamerman01

thanks for your help!! your are cool :)

If we need your further advice with finding a solution, we will let you know

[gamerman01]

Thanks, but I’m not TOO cool because I almost missed this.

Look at the 1st round hits and casualties. It looks like a German sub hit, and then the rest of the Germans got 6 more hits. Only 6 hits were taken by the Americans according to the history. Maybe this is why the 2nd sub wasn’t rolled in the 2nd round. Triple A counted it as sunk so didn’t roll for it, but it remained there like a ghost and was there at the end of the battle. If this is the case, there should be no American sub at the end at all, and there should be no sub roll for the 2nd round (so scratch what I said before)

I’ll double check

[gamerman01]

Battle started with 17 vs. 18 HP

Americans score 6
Germans score 7

Triple A shows Americans losing 6 HP, 2nd sub was apparently sunk, making 7

It’s 10 v 12

Americans score 5
Germans score 8

It’s 2 v 7

2 US bombers, dBB, DD, 5 fighter German

USA sub was actually sunk.
No re-rolling, or any other fix needed. Edit the sub gone

Thanks, it was fun

[GeneralDisarray]

@pacifiersboard Brit11.tsvg

[GeneralDisarray]

@generaldisarray Can edit the sub away just caught this

[pacifiersboard]

@generaldisarray

Game History

Round: 10

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 artillery and 1 bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
              Italians take Persia from British
        1 artillery moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Caucasus
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Iraq
            Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Iraq, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Iraq
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter in Iraq, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in 98 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 submarine
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 submarine in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
            Italians win, taking 98 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to France
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
        1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to France
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 bomber placed in Southern Italy
        1 artillery placed in Caucasus

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4
        Italians collect 17 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 17 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 24 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,17
British regular : 0,17

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