@SuperbattleshipYamato I’m not joking either we already were planning on scrambling there yesterday night. So scramble everything.
[Game 5] TGC (Entente) v DoManMacgee (CP) -oob, no bid, RR
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Game History
Round: 5 Puchase Units - Americans Americans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Coastal Barrage 1: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Spain to Marseilles 4 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14 4 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Spain 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from SZ 14 to SZ 7 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from SZ 7 to SZ 8 4 transports moved from SZ 14 to SZ 1 Combat - Americans Battle in Spain Americans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 4 infantry Neutral_True defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 4 infantry in Spain, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 1 infantry in Spain, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Spain Americans win, taking Spain from Neutral_True with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_True: 1 infantry Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans 8 infantry placed in United States of America Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1.50 Neutral_True regular : 0.50 -
Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 tanks moved from Vienna to Trieste 3 fighters moved from Bohemia to Venice 14 artilleries, 3 fighters and 14 infantry moved from Tyrolia to Venice 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Bohemia to Tyrolia Combat - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians creates battle in territory Karelia Battle in Trieste AustroHungarians attack with 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 tanks Italians defend with 1 infantry and 1 port AustroHungarians roll dice for 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 tanks in Trieste, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Trieste, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Trieste AustroHungarians win, taking Trieste from Italians with 4 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Battle in Karelia AustroHungarians attack with 1 infantry Contested defend with 1 port AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Contested roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Karelia Contested win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_Central to Karelia: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in Venice AustroHungarians attack with 14 artilleries, 6 fighters and 14 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 14 artilleries, 6 fighters and 14 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 17/34 hits, 18.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Venice AustroHungarians win, taking Venice from Italians with 14 artilleries, 6 fighters and 14 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Place Units - AustroHungarians 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tank placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 31 PUs; end with 31 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -1.00 Contested regular : 0.50 AustroHungarians regular : -1.17How did you move the Americans out of spain/into Marseilles? Posted AH6/G6 anyway but I’m pretty sure you can only move out of contested territories into territories your power specifically controls, not an ally.
Side-Note: I converted the AH INF in Karelia into a CP-Neutral INF, similar to what I did in Moscow as Germany last round.
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@domanmacgee Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - Germans Germans buy 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Romania 1 fighter moved from Bohemia to Alsace 7 fighters moved from Munich to Alsace 3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Munich to Alsace 15 artilleries and 17 infantry moved from Ruhr to Alsace 8 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Hanover to Ruhr 2 fighters moved from Berlin to Ruhr 4 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Berlin to Hanover 4 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Galicia to Bohemia 3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Bohemia to Munich Combat - Germans Battle in Alsace Germans attack with 18 artilleries, 8 fighters and 18 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 18 artilleries, 8 fighters and 18 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 23/44 hits, 23.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Alsace, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Alsace Germans win, taking Alsace from British with 18 artilleries, 8 fighters and 17 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Combat Move - Germans Place Units - Germans 3 artilleries, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tank placed in Berlin Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 British regular : 0.50 -
Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - French French buy 10 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - French 1 infantry moved from Piedmont to Venice 7 fighters moved from Burgundy to Venice 3 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Paris to Picardy 5 infantry moved from Burgundy to Lorraine 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 6 to SZ 9 1 transport moved from SZ 9 to SZ 8 1 transport moved from SZ 7 to SZ 8 Combat - French Air Battle in Venice French attacks with 7 units heading to Venice AustroHungarians launches 6 interceptors out of Venice Attackers Fire, : 1/7 hits, 2.33 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 3/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits 3 fighters owned by the French lost in Venice 1 fighter owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Venice Attackers Fire, : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 fighters owned by the French lost in Venice 2 fighters owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Venice Attackers Fire, : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Venice 1 fighter owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Venice Attackers Fire, : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Attackers Fire, : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Defenders Fire, : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the French lost in Venice Air Battle is over, the attackers have all died Battle in Venice French attack with 1 infantry AustroHungarians defend with 14 artilleries, 2 fighters and 14 infantry French roll dice for 1 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 14 artilleries, 2 fighters and 14 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 18/30 hits, 17.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Venice AustroHungarians win with 14 artilleries, 2 fighters and 14 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for French: 1 infantry Combat Move - French Place Units - French 10 infantry placed in Paris Turn Complete - French French collect 29 PUs; end with 29 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : -0.33 Defenders Fire, : 1.00 Attackers Fire, : -1.00 AustroHungarians regular : 1.00 -
Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - British British buy 1 fighter, 13 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 1 infantry moved from German East Africa to British East Africa 2 infantry moved from Spanish Morocco to SZ 14 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from SZ 14 to SZ 17 1 transport moved from SZ 17 to SZ 28 3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Arabia to SZ 28 3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from SZ 28 to Anglo Egyptian Sudan 2 infantry moved from SZ 17 to Libya 3 artilleries, 2 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Arabia 1 infantry moved from Syrian Desert to Arabia 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 tanks moved from Persia to Mesopotamia 4 artilleries, 6 infantry and 2 tanks moved from India to Persia 1 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Tatarstan British take Tatarstan from Ottomans 2 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Ukraine 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 17 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Mesopotamia 1 infantry moved from SZ 9 to Belgium 1 infantry moved from Belgium to Lorraine 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Wales to SZ 8 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from London to Wales 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from London to Wales 1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from SZ 18 to SZ 17 Combat - British Battle in Ukraine British attack with 2 infantry Ottomans defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine Germans and British reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Combat Move - British Place Units - British 1 fighter, 13 infantry and 1 tank placed in India Turn Complete - British British collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.50 British regular : -0.67 -
Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - Ottomans Ottomans buy 1 artillery and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Ottomans 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Romania to Ukraine 1 artillery moved from Romania to Ukraine 4 infantry moved from Romania to Sevastopol 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt Ottomans take Egypt from British 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Syrian Desert Ottomans take Syrian Desert from British 9 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Smyrna 4 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Romania to Serbia 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Smyrna to Constantinople Combat - Ottomans Battle in Sevastopol Ottomans attack with 4 infantry British defend with 1 infantry and 1 port Ottomans roll dice for 4 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits British and Ottomans reach a stalemate Battle in Ukraine Ottomans attack with 3 artilleries and 3 infantry British defend with 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Ukraine Ottomans win with 3 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Serbia Ottomans attack with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 4 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Serbia Ottomans win, taking Serbia from Italians with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Combat Move - Ottomans Place Units - Ottomans 1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Constantinople Turn Complete - Ottomans Ottomans collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : 0.50 Ottomans regular : -2.00 British regular : 0.00Question that I forget the exact ruling on: Can FTRs travel over Neutral Territory without violating said territory’s neutrality? I think the answer is “yes” but would like your confirmation as it might matter in the next round.
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from the FAQ:
Q. Can a fighter fly over a neutral territory on its way to another territory?
A. No.I’m kinda surprise your intuition was “yes”. I don’t know any version of AnA where that is true. Is there a version where you can do that?
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@domanmacgee this rule about fighters though has surprised more than one other opponent. In the fewest words, you cannot “freeze” fighters in a contested zone like you can with land units:
Q.
Am I allowed to use a fighter from a contested tt for an attack in a tt that didnt contain units of my power at the begining of my turn?A.
Yes, as long as you are also attacking with infantry. Fighters are not subject to the same movement restrictions that land units are.Fighters can always move up to two spaces, regardless of where they begin the turn. The only exception is when they begin the turn on a transport, in which case they may only be offloaded. They may never fly over neutral territories, but they may attack them along with land units.
Q.
And if the tt is contested (and the defending fighter remains there) can that same fighter attack out of it to another battle (right next to it lets say) (on the defenders next turn) or 1c. does it have to follow the moving out of contested tt rule whereby the units moving out of a contested zone can’t attack a new tt. (it might only say land units so it seems the fighter could make an attack from the contested tt)A.
That restriction applies only to land units, and therefore not to fighters. They may move anywhere they may normally move when leaving a contested territory. -
@domanmacgee check me on this but I believe that since Ukraine was a contested territory and since the ottomans gained control on their turn, is it not now an Ottoman territory?
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@the_good_captain said in [Game 5] TGC (Entente) v DoManMacgee (CP) -oob, no bid, RR:
from the FAQ:
Q. Can a fighter fly over a neutral territory on its way to another territory?
A. No.I’m kinda surprise your intuition was “yes”. I don’t know any version of AnA where that is true. Is there a version where you can do that?
No, but the rule on FTR movement says:
“Fighters can move up to two spaces. When moving two spaces, it doesn’t matter what the status of the first space is. It can
be a sea zone, a friendly or contested territory, or even a
hostile territory. However, a fighter must end its move in a
territory containing land units belonging to your power”I found it odd for the rulebook to say “it doesn’t matter” but then not actually list neutral territories on the list of allowed “first territories”, hence my confusion. The FAQ is clear-cut on the issue, though. Thanks.
@the_good_captain said in [Game 5] TGC (Entente) v DoManMacgee (CP) -oob, no bid, RR:
@domanmacgee check me on this but I believe that since Ukraine was a contested territory and since the ottomans gained control on their turn, is it not now an Ottoman territory?
Technically it’s a “Russian” territory while contested, but Russia is out of the game so:
-UK takes it = UK owns it (same precedent as occupying an allied country’s territory while said ally’s capital is in enemy-hands).-Ottoman takes it = Ottomans own it for obvious reasons.
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@domanmacgee okay, I’m going to flip the Ukraine to Ottoman and add 3 IPC to them.
And ya I see the confusion, that rulebook is really disappointing. You NEED the FAQ to have a chance of making sense of so many issues. And even then, Krieg had to write a twelve page clarification or whatever.
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@the_good_captain Works for me. I’ve been playing this entire time under the impression that you don’t collect income for contested territories while they’re contested, but I think that’s a War Room thing. I haven’t been playing with the IPC Values though so if TripleA’s been doing it right then we’re probably fine.
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@domanmacgee the Ukraine is not contested. It was captured by the Ottomans. It was previously German controlled.
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@the_good_captain Oh whoops. I thought you were talking about Sevastopol this entire time, not Ukraine. My bad. I’m still fine with Ottomans owing Ukraine. Roll on to I6/USA6 whenever you’re ready.
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Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - Italians Italians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 6 artilleries, 4 fighters and 14 infantry moved from Piedmont to Tuscany 10 infantry moved from Rome to Tuscany Combat Move - Italians Place Units - Italians 7 infantry placed in Rome Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 15 PUs -
Game History
Round: 6 Puchase Units - Americans Americans buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 6 infantry moved from Marseilles to Piedmont 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Spain to Marseilles 8 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1 8 infantry and 4 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 14 8 infantry moved from SZ 14 to Spain 4 transports moved from SZ 14 to SZ 1 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from SZ 8 to SZ 9 Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans 8 infantry placed in United States of America Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs -
@domanmacgee the rules question wasn’t holding up my turn, I was more or less asking if you knew the correct answer - you are the most rules savvy opponent I’m currently playing.
I believe I found it from page 15,
“If you move units into a hostile territory that contains enemy units, that territory becomes contested. When a territory is contested, it generates no IPC income. The controlling player immediately removes their control marker from the territory…”
So since the German control marker would be removed as soon as it became contested, and since the Ottoman’s captured the contested territory, and since the original owner is a (former) Entente power, it goes to the Ottomans.
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@domanmacgee forgot to flip it to the Ottomans, use this file: USA6.tsvg
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@the_good_captain said in [Game 5] TGC (Entente) v DoManMacgee (CP) -oob, no bid, RR:
So since the German control marker would be removed as soon as it became contested, and since the Ottoman’s captured the contested territory, and since the original owner is a (former) Entente power, it goes to the Ottomans.
Oh I get where your confusion came from now. We’re on the same page though 100%. Will post AH7 later.
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Game History
Round: 7 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tank; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Tyrolia to Venice 2 fighters moved from Venice to Trieste 1 infantry moved from Trieste to Albania AustroHungarians take Albania from Italians 4 artilleries and 2 tanks moved from Trieste to Venice 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tank moved from Vienna to Trieste Combat - AustroHungarians Combat Move - AustroHungarians Place Units - AustroHungarians 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tank placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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