L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43)

[jkeller]

@trulpen i dont understand the last battle round. i dont see it actually i only see an edit to remove units

[trulpen]

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

i dont understand the last battle round. i dont see it actually i only see an edit to remove units

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Will have to retreat and restart the battle if I continue, since 3A won’t take edits into account.

That’s what it looks like. I didn’t get an option (or atleast didn’t see any) to take my sub as casualty after Japan’s subs got one hit. That’s why I had to restart the battle and edit.

The battle outcome should be correct. I’ve checked it several times, but will check again, just to be sure.

[trulpen]

When looking at it I found a discrepancy. Think 3A got some kind of bug regarding subs.

[trulpen]

It’s as if 1 sub got hidden and stopped fighting, but appeared after the retreat. Might be that I missed some dice on the attack then.

[jkeller]

@trulpen i have no idea what this means or what 3A is. So what is your suggestion?

[gamerman01]

An interesting way of saying “Triple A”, I think

[trulpen]

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

i have no idea what this means or what 3A is. So what is your suggestion?

Yep, 3A equals TripleA.

It’s a bit messy. There might have been like 2 rounds of one less sub roll, but I can count them as no hits. Trying to correct it is definitely possible, but a bit of a hassle, since any hit would influence later battle rounds.

My suggestion is to leave it as it is. It’s the simplest solution atleast.

[AndrewAAGamer]

This battle, as stands, did not take casualties properly.

• Battle in 26 Sea Zone
• Americans attack with 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC loiter and taunt
• Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 9 infantry, 10 submarines and 5 transports

ROUND 1
AMERICANS GET 1 HIT – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED BB

• Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4,4,6,3,1
• Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese

AMERICANS GET 5 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 5 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1,1,3,3,5,6,1,3,4

JAPANESE GET TWO SUB HITS – 1 IS TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 1 HIT IS TAKEN ON SS (NOT SHOWN). (ONLY 2 USA SUBS FIRE IN ROUND 2. SINCE 5 US SUBS STARTED 3 TOTAL WERE TAKEN AS CASUALTIES IN ROUND 1 EVEN THOUGH THE 3RD US SUB LOSS IS NOT SHOWN). THIS IS CORRECT.

• Japanese roll dice for 10 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5,1,2,5,1,3,4,3,2,6
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans

JAPANESE GET 2 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS

• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6,2,3,5,4,5
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans and 5 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone

ROUND 2
AMERICANS GET 3 HITS – TAKEN ON 3 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 6,4
• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,4,1,5,6,2,4,4,2

JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SUBS, DD, DAMAGED AC (SHOWN BELOW). ALL 5 US SUBS ARE NOW SUNK!!!

• Japanese roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,3,4,6,4
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2,2,2,1,5,6
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 3 submarines owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone

ROUND 3
AMERICANS GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS AND 2 DD (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1,5,1,3,5,4,3,6

JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 2 DD. ONE HIT IS MISSING!!!

• Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2,1
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 3,5,3,1,1,4
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
• 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone
• 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 4 fighters owned by the Americans retreated
• 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans retreated to 30 Sea Zone
• Japanese win
• Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 12

SUMMARY
The battle retreated a US sub even though it was killed during the battle. THIS US SUB IN SZ 30 SHOULD BE REMOVED. In addition, the US needs to LOSE ONE MORE UNIT from the battle. This unit can be DD, damaged AC (with two ANZAC fighters), fighter or tactical bomber.

EDIT
Then, during the US Non-Combat Move, an Edit was performed. It appears:
a) 1 US Sub was removed to replace the hit on Undamaged AC

b) 1 US Fighter was removed to make up for missing 2nd hit

C) A hit was placed on the Japanese carrier and both fighters removed. Not understanding why this was done as all Japanese casualties were accounted for in the battle.

CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP

1. If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.

2. THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.

[gamerman01]

Wow, thanks for being all over that, Andrew.
I haven’t studied the situation, but if there are any disagreements I would certainly be willing to give another opinion.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP

If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.

THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.

It looks like there was a second EDIT during the end of the UK Turn that removed the US DD from SZ 30. Therefore, the only owed edits are to put the 2 Jap fighters and undamaged AC back on the board.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

1 HIT IS TAKEN ON SS (NOT SHOWN)

Ok, so there was a bug. I saw a sub reappear after the retreat, which I had wanted to take as casualty.

I’ll look at it again and will correct accordingly.

[trulpen]

I’ll see if it is possible. A hit on the ac with the 2 aussie figs is not an option, but I’d rather have taken a fig as casualty. Shot under the water from chemo, but I’m trying to investigate it properly.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

It looks like there was a second EDIT during the end of the UK Turn that removed the US DD from SZ 30. Therefore, the only owed edits are to put the 2 Jap fighters and undamaged AC back on the board.

There was a separate battle. You can find the file above. Since 3A doesn’t take edits into account when doing battle, it would not have worked to remove the sub even if I had seen it. Anyway, the sub was an anomaly.

[trulpen]

I might have messed this up quite a bit though. Still investigating.

[trulpen]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Did one more battle round, got 3 hits. Think the only rational choice is to sack the figs and dmg ac.

L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB battle.tsvg

It’s not easy to find, but I think it’s this file.

[trulpen]

I believe there’s an easy fix. The des shouldn’t have been in the battle, so I take 2 fig as casualty instead of 1 fig, 1 des in the last (separate) battle round.

If it had hit I would’ve removed a hit from the attack, but it didn’t.

UCU16 correction L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

[AndrewAAGamer]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

I believe there’s an easy fix. The des shouldn’t have been in the battle, so I take 2 fig as casualty instead of 1 fig, 1 des in the last (separate) battle round.

If it had hit I would’ve removed a hit from the attack, but it didn’t.

I agree with this assessment and correction.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Did one more battle round, got 3 hits. Think the only rational choice is to sack the figs and dmg ac.

L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB battle.tsvg

It’s not easy to find, but I think it’s this file.

Yep - I missed that file.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Yep - I missed that file.

Easily done. Many files posted there.

I’ll try to check again that everything matches and is correct. Especially that the separate battle was true without only the des.

Your imput was and is a good safeguard.

[trulpen]

I believe it is correct now.

True TUV-change was 96 - 98 = -2.