Oz, I guess you meant Sweden instead of Norway.
I still don’t think Sweden will be worth more then Norway. They should both be 3, and Finland at 2. I don’t see Larry changing to much from what he used in AA50.
I Know the iron ore in Sweden was a huge bonus to the axis, but they were handing it over to Germany anyway, so I don’t see why it should be worth so much. I could see it if they refused to trade with Hitler, but that wasn’t the case. Maybe tie all the Scandinavian countries to an NO or use convoy boxes to reflect the amount of trade that went on up there.
Yeah from what I have heard as well, the amount of territories you need to cross from Berlin to Moscow is around six. Sounds like a good number to me. Also I would love to see the Atlantic widened just enough to where you had to drop off troops in Britain before crossing the Channel over to Europe.
yea, my bad on the sweeden norway mixup
I dont know how best to reflect the scandinavian situation
Sweeden was “technicly” pro axis neutral….handed over what ammounts to IPCs (ore) and refused to join the allies.
Norway was a strange pickle in 1940, the UK invaded practacly, then the Soviets demanded they leave, and the Germans invaded…this was the point where a 3 sided war would have devoloped, Axis vs Allies vs Comintern…but France got mangled, the UK backed down because they needed the Soviets, and the Soviets never got there because…
THE FINNS, who were technicly an axis power unto themselves, if one had to categorize the “Axis” by major players…
1. Germany
2. Japan
3. Italy
4. Rumania
5. Finland
6. Hungary
So the Finnish territory should have some way of mobilizing new units, i have despised every axis and allies game to date for not reflecting the fact that Germany DID have many European allies, such as the Finns, who devisatated the Soviets in the Winter War. Finland should be roughly of the same value as the other scandinavian countries, but should start well defended, and with a minor factory or something.
I have always been a huge fan of “Victory Cities may produce 1 infantry during the mobilize units phase” Can you say Helsinki?
@WILD:
Oh my, you made Sweden worth more then Norway. You better change that before Adlertag sees it.
Yeah he might globe(smite) you.
Map looks great. I still think the German control markers should be swaztikas.
Finland should have enough in it to stop a soviet invasion. Because that’s exactly what they did.
I would suggest that the LOW COUNTRIES should start as Neutral if this game starts in May 1940. Also NORWAY should be a Neutral as at the time of the invasion of France. The issue was not yet decided and the British/French were still engaging the Germans in Norway.
Your map is awesome but these few political tweaks are needed.
Thanks for your great work and post!
the swasticas i draw never turn out right….so i left in A&A style
That is probably more politically correct.
That and its illegal to sell or own ANYTHING with a swastika on it in parts of europe. (which is why you never see many german things on the box either)
That and its illegal to sell or own ANYTHING with a swastika on it in parts of europe. (which is why you never see many german things on the box either)
Thank goodness for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I am glad I live in the U.S.
I would suggest that the LOW COUNTRIES should start as Neutral if this game starts in May 1940. Also NORWAY should be a Neutral as at the time of the invasion of France. The issue was not yet decided and the British/French were still engaging the Germans in Norway.
From what I remember the game starts in the mist of the evacuation of Dunkirk (I’m thinking the first week of June). By this time Germany already had control of the low countries. The allies withdrew from Norway the end of May and it fell about 2 weeks later, so it to should be in the axis camp.
Has Larry mentioned the state of Norway at the start of the game?
Quote from Larry:
“By the way… AAE40 begins shortly after Dunkirk. Germany, on its first turn will probably be launching the Battle of France. Belgium, Holland, Denmark and Norway have just been successfully invaded and are occupied. AAP40 will also begin at around that same period (19 months before Pear Harbor). The Japanese can attack any time, but are they really ready? As the controlling Japanese player you decide when and how.”
This should clear some things up.
That leaves very little doubt (+1)
The Swastika can be replaced by the Prussian Cross, and I think we can all accept why this needs to be done. More serious is the use of the Allied Italian roundel for Axis Italy, which makes no sense whatever. It’s rather like using the emblem of the GAB for American control markers.
Roundels mean nothing and they are not accurate anyway. nations did not use them to represent their positions on the map. Least of all they did not use what are primarily aircraft icons to denote national conquests. This is why Roundels and their ‘accuracy’ are meaningless to axis and allies.
The Swastika can be replaced by the Prussian Cross, and I think we can all accept why this needs to be done. More serious is the use of the Allied Italian roundel for Axis Italy, which makes no sense whatever. It’s rather like using the emblem of the GAB for American control markers.
I for one can not accept that this needs to be done. What are you afraid of a swastika? It has been around a lot longer than the Nazis.
@Brain:
The Swastika can be replaced by the Prussian Cross, and I think we can all accept why this needs to be done. More serious is the use of the Allied Italian roundel for Axis Italy, which makes no sense whatever. It’s rather like using the emblem of the GAB for American control markers.
I for one can not accept that this needs to be done. What are you afraid of a swastika? It has been around a lot longer than the Nazis.
+1, I’m in the same boat m8. People just make it a bigger problem than it needs to be. I understand the censorship in Europe, but here in North America?
@Krupp:
I for one can not accept that this needs to be done. What are you afraid of a swastika? It has been around a lot longer than the Nazis.
+1, I’m in the same boat m8. People just make it a bigger problem than it needs to be. I understand the censorship in Europe, but here in North America?
For the record, the censorship is only in Germany from a legal point of view. I guess WOTC want not put the swastika just to ensure they can sell the game in Germany
You know, it’s a matter of extremes. In Germany they take one extreme and here in Spain we have the oppositte (we still have Franco’s simbols in some public places and there is still a horse statue of Franco, in Melilla if I remember right). If I could choose, I’d prefer german extreme in this case, but in fact i’d choose a balanced approach (fascist simbols forbidden in public places but still usable in private uses like the matter we are talking. Exaltation of fascism must be forbidden, of course
More data about fascism in Spain: last summer (I mean July, 2009), I was on holidays in Malaga, Spain, and suddenly I saw two cars filled with Falange’s guys (Falange was the fascist party legal in our dictatorship). They were celebrating the start of Spanish Civil War :x , but the worst is that they had a official policial escort to protect them :-P It was scary, but luckily the people didn’t supported them. At least, fascists are a very marginal group nowadays in Spain, but still is annoying that police protected them: such class of manifestations should be forbidden because go against democratic values :|
So it’s not a minor issue in fact
