Actually the bs is an alternative also.
@trulpen cant believe i allowed this. I am doing my best with both germany and japan to let the allies back in the game lol
@jkeller take two dd and two subs as casualties please. dont want my birds landing in the drink without even getting shot. on next round if there are exactly 4 hits you can take carrier and fighters down together and leave the bb to the last
Will do. You got 4 hits on defense, so I’ll have to decide whether to press on or retreat.
I didn’t see that my sub could be taken as casualty from your sub hit, which is strange. I’ll correct that.
Will have to retreat and restart the battle if I continue, since 3A won’t take edits into account.
Think this should be the battle.
@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
didnt even consider you would attack there lol
I actually only started to look at it since it felt that my poor small fleet was being squashed from two sides.
Did one more battle round, got 3 hits. Think the only rational choice is to sack the figs and dmg ac.
Shaky all over.
L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg
Game History
Round: 17
Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 7 artilleries and 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey Americans take Turkey from Italians 3 submarines moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Western United States to 26 Sea Zone 4 destroyers moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan Americans take Kazakhstan from Germans 1 artillery moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu Combat - Americans Battle in Kiangsu Battle in 26 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC loiter and taunt Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 9 infantry, 10 submarines and 5 transports Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/9 hits, 4,00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 10 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/10 hits, 1,67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits 2 submarines owned by the Americans and 5 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 3/9 hits, 4,00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/5 hits, 0,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits 2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 3 submarines owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 4/8 hits, 3,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 3/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 4 fighters owned by the Americans retreated 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans retreated to 30 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking Kiangsu from Japanese with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 fighters and 5 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 3 destroyers and 4 submarines Casualties for Japanese: 2 destroyers and 10 submarines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 30 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Americans owned units to: carrier = 0 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 fighter EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 26 Sea Zone: 2 fighters EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Japanese owned units to: carrier = 1 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 6 transports moved from 102 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 103 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 carriers moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 105 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 10 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 80 Sea Zone to Northwest Persia Place Units - Americans 1 airfield placed in Northwest Persia 1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia 1 aaGun and 2 infantry placed in Norway 3 artilleries placed in Spain 2 artilleries and 8 infantry placed in Central United States 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Eastern United States Turn Complete - Americans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 26 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5 Americans collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 84 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai Chinese take Tsinghai from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan Chinese take Szechwan from Japanese Combat - Chinese Non Combat Move - Chinese Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Kiangsu Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 6 fighters, 4 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Greece British take Greece from Italians 1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Syria British take Syria from Germans 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Volgograd British take Volgograd from Germans 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Novosibirsk British take Novosibirsk from Italians 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Samara British take Samara from Germans 2 infantry moved from Spain to Normandy Bordeaux 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux Combat - British Battle in Normandy Bordeaux British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry British roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Italians, 1 infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux British win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Italians with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain 1 battleship moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Novgorod 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 19 infantry moved from Persia to Northwest Persia 2 fighters moved from Persia to Kazakhstan 1 infantry moved from Saudi Arabia to 80 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia 3 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo Place Units - British 3 infantry placed in Iraq 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 transport placed in 106 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Quebec 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 110 Sea Zone 6 fighters placed in 110 Sea Zone British undo move 6. British undo move 5. 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 109 Sea Zone: 2 carriers EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 109 Sea Zone: 1 battleship EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 fighters placed in United Kingdom British undo move 6. 6 fighters placed in 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 110 Sea Zone: 2 carriers EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 42 PUs; end with 42 PUs Turn Complete - UK_PacificCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1,00
Italians regular : 0,33
Japanese regular : 0,17
British regular : 0,67
@trulpen i dont understand the last battle round. i dont see it actually i only see an edit to remove units
@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
i dont understand the last battle round. i dont see it actually i only see an edit to remove units
@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
Will have to retreat and restart the battle if I continue, since 3A won’t take edits into account.
That’s what it looks like. I didn’t get an option (or atleast didn’t see any) to take my sub as casualty after Japan’s subs got one hit. That’s why I had to restart the battle and edit.
The battle outcome should be correct. I’ve checked it several times, but will check again, just to be sure.
When looking at it I found a discrepancy. Think 3A got some kind of bug regarding subs.
It’s as if 1 sub got hidden and stopped fighting, but appeared after the retreat. Might be that I missed some dice on the attack then.
@trulpen i have no idea what this means or what 3A is. So what is your suggestion?
An interesting way of saying “Triple A”, I think
@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
i have no idea what this means or what 3A is. So what is your suggestion?
Yep, 3A equals TripleA.
It’s a bit messy. There might have been like 2 rounds of one less sub roll, but I can count them as no hits. Trying to correct it is definitely possible, but a bit of a hassle, since any hit would influence later battle rounds.
My suggestion is to leave it as it is. It’s the simplest solution atleast.
This battle, as stands, did not take casualties properly.
• Battle in 26 Sea Zone
• Americans attack with 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC loiter and taunt
• Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 9 infantry, 10 submarines and 5 transports
ROUND 1
AMERICANS GET 1 HIT – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED BB
• Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4,4,6,3,1
• Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese
AMERICANS GET 5 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 5 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)
• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1,1,3,3,5,6,1,3,4
JAPANESE GET TWO SUB HITS – 1 IS TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 1 HIT IS TAKEN ON SS (NOT SHOWN). (ONLY 2 USA SUBS FIRE IN ROUND 2. SINCE 5 US SUBS STARTED 3 TOTAL WERE TAKEN AS CASUALTIES IN ROUND 1 EVEN THOUGH THE 3RD US SUB LOSS IS NOT SHOWN). THIS IS CORRECT.
• Japanese roll dice for 10 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5,1,2,5,1,3,4,3,2,6
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
JAPANESE GET 2 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6,2,3,5,4,5
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans and 5 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone
ROUND 2
AMERICANS GET 3 HITS – TAKEN ON 3 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)
• Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 6,4
• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,4,1,5,6,2,4,4,2
JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SUBS, DD, DAMAGED AC (SHOWN BELOW). ALL 5 US SUBS ARE NOW SUNK!!!
• Japanese roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,3,4,6,4
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2,2,2,1,5,6
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 3 submarines owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone
ROUND 3
AMERICANS GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS AND 2 DD (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)
• Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1,5,1,3,5,4,3,6
JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 2 DD. ONE HIT IS MISSING!!!
• Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2,1
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 3,5,3,1,1,4
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
• 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone
• 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 4 fighters owned by the Americans retreated
• 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans retreated to 30 Sea Zone
• Japanese win
• Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 12
SUMMARY
The battle retreated a US sub even though it was killed during the battle. THIS US SUB IN SZ 30 SHOULD BE REMOVED. In addition, the US needs to LOSE ONE MORE UNIT from the battle. This unit can be DD, damaged AC (with two ANZAC fighters), fighter or tactical bomber.
EDIT
Then, during the US Non-Combat Move, an Edit was performed. It appears:
a) 1 US Sub was removed to replace the hit on Undamaged AC
b) 1 US Fighter was removed to make up for missing 2nd hit
C) A hit was placed on the Japanese carrier and both fighters removed. Not understanding why this was done as all Japanese casualties were accounted for in the battle.
CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP
If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.
THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.
Wow, thanks for being all over that, Andrew.
I haven’t studied the situation, but if there are any disagreements I would certainly be willing to give another opinion.
@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):
CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP
If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.
THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.
It looks like there was a second EDIT during the end of the UK Turn that removed the US DD from SZ 30. Therefore, the only owed edits are to put the 2 Jap fighters and undamaged AC back on the board.
