L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43)

[jkeller]

@jkeller holy shit 34 ipc below expectation lol that was horrible

[trulpen]

Wasn’t good for Mussolini. With the bad result on the first go I can understand you wanted another shot. Could’ve worked, but this was of course worse. I’ll try to not assume so much regarding scrambles, but rather await your decisions.

[trulpen]

The difference in TUV between the two results was just 8 though.

[trulpen]

Oh, wait, perhaps not.

[jkeller]

wasnt based on dice at all but average expected outcome. of course average does not mean it will be better than even a bad initial roll lol. oh well i would still make same decision again especially with even a small possibility of killing uk fighters and german counter on british fleet

[jkeller]

italy l21-sf-jkeller-vs-trulpen-43-oob (36).tsvg

[trulpen]

Yes, seems correct.

First was +26.

Second +34.

Expected TUV was +10.

[trulpen]

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

wasnt based on dice at all but average expected outcome. of course average does not mean it will be better than even a bad initial roll lol. oh well i would still make same decision again especially with even a small possibility of killing uk fighters and german counter on british fleet

Yep, that actually makes a lot of sense.

[jkeller]

initial roll was -28 vs -20 expected. adjusted battle was -44 vs a -10 expected. but i would do it again

[jkeller]

ya first one -26. second one -44

[trulpen]

Franz8 L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

[jkeller]

Game History

Round: 9

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 3x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 77 PUs; 
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 13 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        4 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Vologda
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Samara
        11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Samara
        4 fighters moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 97 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 6 fighters
            British defend with 1 destroyer; Americans defend with 1 submarine
            1 submarine owned by the Americans submerged
                Germans roll dice for 6 fighters in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 6 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Germans attack with 11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys
            British defend with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans roll dice for 11 armour and 22 mech_infantrys in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 9/33 hits, 9.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/11 hits, 4.17 expected hits
                3 artilleries owned by the British, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 6 infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
                Germans roll dice for 11 armour and 20 mech_infantrys in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 10/31 hits, 8.83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Northwest Persia, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the British, 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
            Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 11 armour and 18 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 35
            Casualties for Germans: 4 mech_infantrys
            Casualties for British: 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Germans attack with 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Germans win, taking Kazakhstan from Russians with 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Samara
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara
            Germans win, taking Samara from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Vologda
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Vologda, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Vologda, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
            Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 bomber and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 bomber moved from Samara to Volgograd
        3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
        3 artilleries moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk
        1 transport moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        8 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 bomber moved from Vologda to Archangel
        1 fighter moved from 97 Sea Zone to Volgograd
        2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        3 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 aaGuns moved from France to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        Germans undo move 1.
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        2 infantry placed in Germany
        3 infantry placed in France
        1 fighter and 6 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        Germans undo move 5.
        1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        2 infantry placed in France

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1
        Germans collect 62 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 62 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 69 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 84 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.33
Russians regular : -1.67
Germans regular : 4.83
British regular : -1.33

[jkeller]

german l21-sf-jkeller-vs-trulpen-43-oob (37).tsvg

[jkeller]

germany l21-sf-jkeller-vs-trulpen-43-oob (37).tsvg

[trulpen]

Russia roars.

R9 L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

Game History

Round: 9

   Purchase Units - Russians

       Russians buy 5 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 



   Combat Move - Russians

       1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Timguska

             Russians take Timguska from Germans

       2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda

       2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk

       1 fighter moved from Russia to Smolensk

       5 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       4 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk

       6 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara



   Combat - Russians

       Battle in Smolensk

           Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry

           Germans defend with 1 infantry

               Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk

           Russians win, taking Smolensk from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3

           Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

       Battle in Samara

           Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 15 infantry

           Germans defend with 2 infantry

               Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 15 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 2/17 hits, 3,50 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits

               2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara

           Russians win, taking Samara from Germans with 2 artilleries and 15 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

       Battle in Vologda

           Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 10 infantry

           Germans defend with 3 infantry

               Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 10 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 4/12 hits, 2,67 expected hits

               Germans roll dice for 3 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits

               1 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vologda

           Russians win, taking Vologda from Germans with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6

           Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

           Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry



   Non Combat Move - Russians

       1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Russia

       1 aaGun moved from Russia to Samara

       1 aaGun moved from Russia to Vologda

       1 submarine moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

       2 aaGuns and 9 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Vologda

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

       1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt



   Place Units - Russians

       5 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Russia



   Turn Complete - Russians

       Russians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs

       Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 9 PUs; end with 25 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -1,00

Russians regular : 0,00

[jkeller]

i still dont have a good grasp of these sea rules in this version. Can transport load in combat move with a sub in the sea zone? can it offload in a seazone with a lone sub?

[trulpen]

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

i still dont have a good grasp of these sea rules in this version. Can transport load in combat move with a sub in the sea zone? can it offload in a seazone with a lone sub?

Yes, I think it can ignore a sub when loading. When offloading another warship has to accompany it though in order to be able to ignore it. Anything works for that task, even a sub.

[jkeller]

@trulpen ok thats what I surmised from the rulebook.

Another lone infantry wins battle LOL this is crazy.

Game History

Round: 9

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese repair damage of 1x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 55 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 
        Japanese buy 3 destroyers, 1 fighter and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 artillery moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
              Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 35 Sea Zone
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Philippines
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from French Indo China to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from French Indo China to 20 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Japan to 20 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 fighter moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 20 Sea Zone

    Combat - Japanese
        Japanese creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery in Java, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Americans lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery
        Battle in Philippines
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers in Philippines, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
            Japanese win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 4 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 4 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Philippines: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Philippines: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 21 Sea Zone: 3 carriers and 2 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 21 Sea Zone: 3 carriers
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Battle in 21 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 21 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 21 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 20 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese roll dice for 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 3.67 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 20 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 20 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
        Battle in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
        Battle in Sumatra
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Sumatra
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Sumatra, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Sumatra
            ANZAC win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -7
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        5 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Philippines to Kwangsi
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Philippines to 36 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        1 aaGun, 5 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
        2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
        1 artillery moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries, 2 battleships, 5 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 3 infantry, 10 submarines and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        3 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
        2 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi

    Place Units - Japanese
        3 destroyers placed in 36 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in Kwangtung
        1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Japan
        2 infantry placed in Korea
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 6 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 36 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Manchuria: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Korea: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 15
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 42 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 44 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 36 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5
        Japanese collect 44 PUs (15 lost to blockades); end with 44 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -0.67
Japanese regular : -1.83
ANZAC regular : 1.17

[jkeller]

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[trulpen]

Roll bombing on Ukraine for US.

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