L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V

[gamerman01]

You’re starting to lose me. If there is a way for an “objective examination of the metadata”, great, I’m all for that.

I just searched the site and found this thread. https://forums.triplea-game.org/topic/3061/marti-issues/6?lang=en-US&page=1
It’s about problems with MARTI. Some of it is about the e-mail provider you’re using. Et cetera. Seems to be various issues, unfortunately. Many are about not receiving the e-mails at all, which of course doesn’t apply here, but if you read it all (which I have not) you may realize that MARTI isn’t air-tight.

What e-mail providers are you each using? Are either of them mentioned in this thread as having issues with MARTI?

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

My position about the Round 27 has not changed.

However, what is done about Round 27 seems moot until the issue with Round 21 is resolved.

My point is that claims and counterclaims are not useful in deciding a fair outcome. We need real data to determine what happened.

[ArtofWar1947]

@gamerman01

I use gmail, which has had problems. Trulpen uses hotmail was also listed.

[trulpen]

I will be gone on vacation today for about 10 days. Will likely not be able to make any moves during this period.

[ArtofWar1947]

@trulpen

Thanks for letting me know.

[gamerman01]

Perfect! Thanks for being clear - I have only concerned myself with the round 21 mishap. I’m also quite relieved by what you said here.

Thank you for responding about the e-mail providers too. I suppose I could have seen them in TripleA opening your game as well - just realized that.

Anyway, I just scanned through that thread again, and searched by hotmail and gmail. All I can make out is, there are various MARTI issues with different e-mail providers, but it usually looks like it involves not receiving all the MARTI e-mails - I didn’t see anything about getting two different rolls for what should have been one.

Also noteworthy to me is that there are several posts from only 4 months ago.

But this post jumps out at me:

“LaFayette ADMIN 4 months ago
From an admin side we have not updated MARTI in some time (years). It’s on the bucket list to rewrite & update MARTI.”

So I still don’t know what happened for sure, and thanks for giving me some allowance for that. I’ll let you consider everything including what I wrote here. Ball’s in your court, Art. If you can find a way to investigate further and prove it wasn’t a MARTI vs. e-mail problem, great. Or if you want to let it go and assume it was a mix-up in cyber space, great. (seems LaFayette, apparently an admin for MARTI, admits it hasn’t been updated for years and might not be for a long time)

What’s not great is, as you said, claims and counterclaims. Obviously, I don’t want anyone to think they were cheated and I don’t want anyone accused of cheating who is innocent.

[ArtofWar1947]

@gamerman01

I went to TripleA Forum site you cited as having a Marti discussion. However, I did not have the option of making a reply to LaFayette (Admin). I tried to PM him, but got an error message that I did not have enough privileges. Any suggestions?

[gamerman01]

Yep, there are a couple ways to get to people. I’ll give you this link
https://forums.triplea-game.org/user/lafayette

Go to the dot dot dot and you should see the option to message him.
I noticed his latest post was just 9 days ago so luckily you should be able to rouse a response from him soon, most likely. Have a great day, both of you.

[gamerman01]

Trying to be helpful, you can also go to your chat bubble at top right of the screen, go to “see all chats”, then at the top left in a black bar it says “enter a username to search” (it can be hard to notice if not pointed out)

[ArtofWar1947]

@gamerman01

Tried both suggestions and got the same error message: “Error. You do not have enough privileges for this action.”

[gamerman01]

Ah, I guess I am a privileged one - had no idea that was maybe one of the added capabilities.

Did that link not work??

Thanks

[ArtofWar1947]

@gamerman01

Link did not work because I do not have enough privileges.

[gamerman01]

Thanks Art, so I sent a detailed message to him just now, and I’ll certainly post here as soon as I hear anything.

[gamerman01]

Oh. I just saw that I was seamlessly taken to the Triple A forum. I must have an account there.
Strange, I searched from this site and didn’t even know I had been taken to the Triple A site! Well, that probably explains why you couldn’t bring him up or follow the link.

[gamerman01]

Probably a good place for you to poke around if you are so inclined - maybe you would be able to learn more about MARTI in general and this problem here specifically, if it even was a MARTI issue at all, of course :thinking_face:

[gamerman01]

Hmmmm, finally figured out that thread was in the Play-by-email forum in that site. I don’t know if you’ll find anything else on the subject there or not. You don’t have to do anything there if you don’t want, just thought you might like to know.
I’ll report back when I hear from their admin, LaFayette.

[ArtofWar1947]

@gamerman01

Thanks for checking with Administrator LaFayette, Gamerman. I strongly suspect the issue will get more attention coming from you.

[gamerman01]

You’re welcome, and I hope it’s not too long…

[gamerman01]

I just heard from LaFayette:

Hi, good to hear from you! Unfortunately there is not a good way to check history for dice rolls. Rewriting Marti to add features like auditing is on the road map…

I’d recommend to tell the player that the roll is being investigated, and remind them that cheating would result in a year long ban (or something like that). Meanwhile let it stand as the player probably was not cheating, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense (and we can’t really tell one way or another)

Now this is me: I think the year-long ban is on the triple A forum - not here.
His reply is FWIW. What do you think, Art? Do you want me to pursue further, and if so, how?

[trulpen]

Hi again. I’m back. I’ll try my best to help resolve this, although I can’t really see how at the moment.

@gamerman01 said in L22 #1 trulpen (X+6) vs ArtofWar1947 (A) P2V:

Art says he got 2 sets of MARTI messages, first with 7 hits, second with 6 hits

Contemplating the above quote. It’s stated 7 hits on the so called first roll and 6 hits on the supposed other (my first). I don’t mean to mitigate art’s claim, since cheating is a definite no-go, but I wouldn’t exactly call the difference game changing.

I’ve looked at the position now. If I understand it correctly the situation is actually in turn 22, when Germany did a follow up air strike in z97. This was actually also after Italy did a sacrificial pre-strike with 1 fig, 1 tac where Italy hit 1 and US had an amazing 0 hits on defence.

I wouldn’t actually call 7 hits instead of 6 (but I think it was 5 first and 4 next) “a highly favorable outcome”, to quote @ArtofWar1947.

Also, it’s worthy to note that Germany had long ago crushed Russia and Japan was already a monster with firm control of Asia and no real problems on the ocean. At the beginning of turn 22 Axis has an economic lead of 191 against 155. It was a very lost cause for the Allies already at this point.

As gamerman said earlier there’s just no rational incentive for Axis to cheat, objectively speaking.