Good compilation so far. I’m working on a rule set right now and if I end up with something good I’d make sure to post it here.
@the-captain I’m trying to think across the whole gamut of A&A games, but I would be most interested in rules for G40, AA50, and the various other custom maps and rulesets of similar complexity.
@General-6-Stars uses oil in his game
OIL DERRICKS
Cost: 0
Attack: 0
Defend: 2 at each plane
Move: 0
Max damage: Up to double there value
You cannot build these in game.
You do receive the values of these
towards your income. Any damage
to them and you lose the full value
of the income there worth. Can be
captured and used for income if not
damaged by the enemy.
Similar to some of the above, but implemented differently. I know he’s had a lot of success with it.
There’s also at least a couple triplea games that use oil. They are similar to swinters’ Oil Production values map + rules in that the oil turns into fuel that is used to power Mechanized, Air and Naval units.
WWII Oil and Snow April 1941
OIL: can be found in the '41-'45 oil-producing regions of the world: depending on if it is a rich source (double drop) or regular source (single drop) there is a (regular or major) refinery producing fuel for your mechanized units. Infantry & cavalry may move without fuel. When conquered they turn yours directly because of AI not understanding the importance of repairing /rebuilding disabled or hit refineries. I made them indestructable, except they have far lower output of fuel when damaged. (major 8 out of 20 & regular 4 out of 10 fuel per turn) You can only repair existing refineries, not upgrade or add new ones. If you run out of oil you can always purchase fuel via oil barrels but that of course would have an impact on your unit production. When an Allied Territory with oil is liberated, it returns to its original owner.
Iron War
Fuel is used by ships, land vehicles and planes to move. 1 unit moving to an adjacent territory consumes 1 Fuel. Planes are an exception to this rule, as they always consume Fuel equal to half of their full potential movement. Note that all Synthetic-Fuel production is destroyed during capture, unlike regular fuel resources.
I know @Black_Elk really digs “Iron War”. My small cranium can’t handle it though. i just end up with a pile of steel that can’t move lol
Good Action here
Ya barnee he’s aware. Talking to him a bit. He’s working on some rules. And also in my game if you control certain ( Middle East and Dutch islands ) groups of oil derricks you receive bonus victory points…
Thanks
I’ll have to check out that Iron War game you mentioned. It’s easier to put oil supply’s in smaller campaign games anyway.
Is Iron War a board game with rules ? Or does Black Elk have own rules ?
@general-6-stars it’s a triplea mod. So all digital. Elk was playing it a lot. Actually he popped on last week and said he gave it another go. He’s not around much.
Vodot. Keep in mind my rules have where an oil derrick is worth so much icps but it also counts towards a countries income.
Only time u can gain from it is capturing it.
Once it has 1 dam then lose all income from it.
Some oil derricks are worth more icps.
@general-6-stars said in House Rules Compilation: Oil!:
…Only time u can gain from it is capturing it.
Can you explain how capturing works? Do Oil Derricks get “looted” when captured in addition to counting towards a power’s income normally?
Ok. Russia has 3 oil derricks in Middle East along with UK having 2. There all worth 2 icps and UK collects 4 icps towards income and Russia collects 6 icps income from them to. Now Germany can damage them to reduce both Russia and UK income. Derricks are never destroyed. ( but u just gave me another idea of destroying them ). If axis captures a territory with an oil derrick then they collect the income from the oil derrick plus territory value. But if it’s damaged then they don’t collect until they repair the damage. Oil derricks can be damaged up to double there value.
Also game is based on victory points and there is a 1 point bonus for axis to get if they control 3 oil derricks in Middle East with only 1 damaged.
So now Germany probably damage a few to help reduce Russia’s income and then repair after capture to get point. Rostov is also a victory city worth a point. This promotes a bunch of action. Also some oil derricks worth more money for income like Romania is worth 8 icps.
Like Dutch island oil derricks are worth more too to promote more action plus Japan needs the oil to survive in war based on they need income. Those derricks are worth 5,5 and 4.
Allies can damage them to block income or capture back.
Cool thread! I haven’t kicked around here in ages, but I like the concepts above.
Haha yeah, I’d say Iron War’s scheme would be tough for a physical board. The Fuel=Unit Movement concept works ok in game with the aid of the computer, machine doing all the counting and such, but tracking it as a separate movement related resource is more than I’d want to try in my head or on pen and paper.
I think the idea of fuel as infrastructure or fuel=money, or even the stuff where the fuel is a moveable unit itself. I think that would be easier to execute ftf than the mech naval and air units all consuming fuel to move around idea present in Iron War. But then again it might work, if it was simplified quite a bit. Fewer units involved, or maybe a more basic scheme for how its consumed during gameplay? I do like that it gives oil rules a try, some emphasis and value on certain territories that might not otherwise be reflected in A&A style games. Beyond just an extra ipc or two built into the TT I guess, which is what we usually get hehe. Giving the oil thing special consideration on the map, since it was such a major factor in the actual war. Seems apt and cool!
best Elk
For me and after trying a bunch of different ways for oil seems the best outcome anyway on my game is what I have.
Allies really had no problem getting oil. UK after 1940 when Persia area fell they got most of there oil from Venezuela. But UK did get Iran back with Russia based on both attacked together in 41 in separate territorial attacks. They didn’t like each other at the time. On my map history wise Russia controls northern half of Iran and UK southern half of Iran.
Yes I can see oil shipment boats from refineries could be hit by axis in the Atlantic. I did test in game if a enemy sub was in a sea zone touching a territory with an oil refinery you could convoy attack it. You would lose I believe a flat rate of 3 icps from your income representing oil transport ships being sunk. Now you could play remove right away 3 icps from your income or wait and see if allies try to kill the sub before the penalty kicks in at end of your turn. Also the refinery could be SBR up to 3 damage.
I think this type of raiding was stopped because we went to oil derricks. It got to strong in certain areas like UK and Dutch islands and depleted Japans income to much. Just more ideas here. And also there’s enough convoy boxes on map to include oil basically.
Like G40 map the convoy boxes should be a bit further out in the Atlantic.
My opinion is the to keep it simple and have the oil mostly more important in game for the Axis at key locations based on the oil producing chart in war. It would be great if UK didn’t destroy there oil wells in Burma when Japan started to invade. This would help Japan get another bonus point if controlled. Probably with so much fighting there they Japan didn’t have the option probably to repair them wells.
But funny thing is they brought engineers or repair men from Japan and used the captured workers on Sumatra and Borneo to help rebuild them oil wells that UK/FEC destroyed when Japan attacked in Dec 41 and a bit later.
Not a big fan of pentalizing a group of units whether ground, navy or planes. It can affect the game more on this scale level. I like it best in smaller version games like Barbarossa where only a small fraction are affected based on more territories in them game maps.
OK had my say so I’ll chill out now. lol
@Imperious-Leader’s Oil Centers
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/15500 & various other places (help me out here, @Imperious-Leader)
Territories have Oil Values, and Oil limits both production and movement of mechanized units. Total values = total number of mech units that can be bought or move that turn.
My idea is that enemy oil centers are possible IPC producers each turn with a roll of one D6, however the first turn of capture you don’t receive any income to model the fact that the original owner player damaged the facility. Every other turn just roll D6 and add to production. Neutral oil centers are treated the same way. The other idea is you must own at least one oil center, or you must roll a D6 and that result is removed from your production each turn. Also, while you don’t own any oil centers, your land units all move one space.
Depends on what you want in game and I get what your saying.
@imperious-leader Thanks IL, I’ll update the summary above. I like that idea from the KISS principle, and also that in your rules oil is something you can - but probably shouldn’t - ignore. I also like that denying oil to your opponent functions like a free SBR raid…
It’s already in your list
@general-6-stars said in House Rules Compilation: Oil!:
It’s already in your list
Right, I just wanted to clarify the particulars. Is there a thread for your rules to which I can link, @General-6-Stars?
No not at this time. I could make a list or something It’s in 2 areas in my rules
I can post my oil rules and oil bonuses in my game thread on site here.
Then if you want post it at top of your thread
@general-6-stars said in House Rules Compilation: Oil!:
I can post my oil rules and oil bonuses in my game thread on site here.
Then if you want post it at top of your thread
Added your rules to my first post, General. Now I’m reading through the entirety of your amazing thread! :)
