keep in mind that the allies will want to choose OOL in any big sea battles…
NML 1914 - Team Game #3
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Fine with me.
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@elrood all good.
Just let me know when you are finished, haven’t dl’ed the last file yet. -
@elrood Seb and Dawg, you’re just prolonging the inevitable. As I march across southern Europe to restore the Hapsburg Dynasty to its ancient glory by joining Spain to Austria; Italy and southern France just happen to be in my way, trinkets to bestow upon the lesser nobles of my court. :blush:
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@fmerwinrommel Nuts! :-)
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@elrood Ita_-arabia-14_edit.tsvg
I took the liberty to edit Piedmont Units to Marsseilles.
Please check if that is all fine. Dawg: is it ok?
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all good
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Please proceed
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@elrood said in NML 1914 - Team Game #3:
@fmerwinrommel Nuts! :-)
You guys aware were that comes from? Is actually a high profile quote! :)
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@elrood Yes, a famous quote from a famous battle.
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@aequitas-et-veritas Max defense.
Going for broke this turn? I don’t think you are favored to win either of those attacks.
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Game History
Round: 14 Research Technology - Turkey Turkey spend 0 on tech rolls Turkey rolls : 0/1 hits, 0,00 expected hits Combat Move - Turkey 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 37 infantry moved from Lurs to Khurasan 10 gass and 1 tank moved from Baghdad to Khurasan 1 infantry moved from Yemen to Oman 1 fighter moved from Arabia to Oman 14 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 28 infantry moved from Sinai to Cairo-Suez 2 gass moved from Jordan to Cairo-Suez 2 gass moved from Mecca to Cairo-Suez 1 gas moved from Damascus to Cairo-Suez 2 fighters moved from Kurdistan to Khurasan 1 field_gun moved from Mesopotamia to Al-Dammam 2 infantry moved from Arabia to Al-Dammam 1 infantry moved from Arabia to Oman Purchase Units - Turkey Turkey buy 20 infantry and 1 trench; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 1 techTokens; Combat - Turkey Battle in Al-Dammam Turkey attack with 1 field_gun and 2 infantry Britain defend with 2 infantry Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 2 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Al-Dammam Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun and 2 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 5 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Al-Dammam, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Al-Dammam Turkey win, taking Al-Dammam from Britain with 1 field_gun and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Britain: 2 infantry Battle in Oman Turkey attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Britain defend with 1 infantry Turkey roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Oman, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Oman, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Oman, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 infantry in Oman, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Turkey and 1 infantry owned by the Britain lost in Oman Turkey win, taking Oman from Britain with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Turkey: 1 infantry Casualties for Britain: 1 infantry Battle in Khurasan Turkey attack with 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 10 gass, 1 heavy_gun, 37 infantry and 1 tank Britain defend with 1 Factory, 1 cavalry, 1 colonial, 7 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns, 21 infantry, 6 tanks and 9 trenchs Turkey roll dice for 10 gass in Khurasan, round 2 : 8/10 hits, 6,67 expected hits 6 tanks owned by the Britain, 1 infantry owned by the Britain and 1 cavalry owned by the Britain lost in Khurasan 10 gass owned by the Turkey lost in Khurasan Turkey roll dice for 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun, 37 infantry and 1 tank in Khurasan, round 2 : 15/52 hits, 14,67 expected hits Units damaged: 3 trenchs owned by the Britain Britain roll dice for 1 colonial, 7 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns, 20 infantry and 9 trenchs in Khurasan, round 2 : 9/33 hits, 12,67 expected hits 9 infantry owned by the Turkey and 6 trenchs owned by the Britain lost in Khurasan Turkey roll dice for 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun, 28 infantry and 1 tank in Khurasan, round 3 : 14/43 hits, 13,17 expected hits Britain roll dice for 1 colonial, 7 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns, 20 infantry and 3 trenchs in Khurasan, round 3 : 20/33 hits, 12,67 expected hits 20 infantry owned by the Turkey, 11 infantry owned by the Britain and 3 trenchs owned by the Britain lost in Khurasan 3 fighters owned by the Turkey retreated 8 infantry owned by the Turkey, 2 cavalrys owned by the Turkey, 1 tank owned by the Turkey, 1 heavy_gun owned by the Turkey and 8 field_guns owned by the Turkey retreated to Lurs Britain win with 1 colonial, 7 field_guns, 5 heavy_guns and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -24 Casualties for Britain: 1 cavalry, 12 infantry, 6 tanks and 9 trenchs Casualties for Turkey: 10 gass and 29 infantry Battle in Cairo-Suez Turkey attack with 14 field_guns, 1 fighter, 5 gass, 1 heavy_gun and 28 infantry Italy defend with 1 cavalry, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry; Britain defend with 1 Factory, 3 cavalrys, 6 heavy_guns, 12 infantry and 12 trenchs; France defend with 5 cavalrys, 5 colonials and 2 infantry Turkey roll dice for 5 gass in Cairo-Suez, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 3,33 expected hits 2 cavalrys owned by the Britain and 1 cavalry owned by the France lost in Cairo-Suez 5 gass owned by the Turkey lost in Cairo-Suez Turkey roll dice for 14 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 28 infantry in Cairo-Suez, round 2 : 17/44 hits, 15,00 expected hits Units damaged: 7 trenchs owned by the Britain Britain roll dice for 6 cavalrys, 5 colonials, 1 field_gun, 6 heavy_guns, 15 infantry and 12 trenchs in Cairo-Suez, round 2 : 11/33 hits, 12,00 expected hits 11 infantry owned by the Turkey and 5 trenchs owned by the Britain lost in Cairo-Suez Turkey roll dice for 14 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 17 infantry in Cairo-Suez, round 3 : 15/33 hits, 13,17 expected hits Britain roll dice for 6 cavalrys, 5 colonials, 1 field_gun, 6 heavy_guns, 15 infantry and 7 trenchs in Cairo-Suez, round 3 : 13/33 hits, 12,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italy, 13 infantry owned by the Turkey, 1 infantry owned by the Britain, 1 cavalry owned by the Britain, 1 cavalry owned by the Italy, 4 cavalrys owned by the France and 7 trenchs owned by the Britain lost in Cairo-Suez Turkey roll dice for 14 field_guns, 1 fighter, 1 heavy_gun and 4 infantry in Cairo-Suez, round 4 : 10/20 hits, 9,00 expected hits Britain roll dice for 5 colonials, 1 field_gun, 6 heavy_guns and 13 infantry in Cairo-Suez, round 4 : 12/25 hits, 10,33 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Turkey, 8 infantry owned by the Britain, 1 heavy_gun owned by the Turkey, 7 field_guns owned by the Turkey and 2 infantry owned by the France lost in Cairo-Suez 1 fighter owned by the Turkey retreated 7 field_guns owned by the Turkey retreated to Sinai Britain win with 5 colonials, 1 field_gun, 6 heavy_guns and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -29 Casualties for Britain: 3 cavalrys, 9 infantry and 12 trenchs Casualties for France: 5 cavalrys and 2 infantry Casualties for Turkey: 7 field_guns, 5 gass, 1 heavy_gun and 28 infantry Casualties for Italy: 1 cavalry and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Turkey 1 field_gun and 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Sinai 1 field_gun and 3 infantry moved from Smyrna to Armenia 4 infantry moved from Armenia to Lurs 3 infantry moved from Baghdad to Lurs 1 field_gun and 3 infantry moved from Damascus to Palestine 1 field_gun and 4 infantry moved from Mecca to Arabia 3 fighters moved from Khurasan to Lurs 5 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna 1 fighter moved from Oman to Arabia 1 fighter moved from Cairo-Suez to Sinai Place Units - Turkey 5 infantry and 1 trench placed in Mecca 5 infantry placed in Damascus 5 infantry placed in Baghdad 5 infantry placed in Constantinople Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Turkey from Sinai: 1 field_gun EDIT: Adding units owned by Turkey to Sinai: 1 heavy_gun EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turkey undo move 1. 5 infantry placed in Mecca 1 trench placed in Lurs Turn Complete - Turkey Turkey collect 64 PUs; end with 64 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@aequitas-et-veritas Is that GG? Hard to see how Turkey is gonna last much longer after that.
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I hope the CPs will continue to fight. G & A are doing pretty well and before T’s turn I would have said the CPs were very much still in this game. The Entente have started to retreat from Piedmont after all. Turkey launched a couple of attacks that actually didn’t fare badly against probability.
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@private-panic no retreat in piedmont! We consolidated marsailles! :-)
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@elrood Is that “no retreat” as in “the special military operation is going according to plan”?
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@private-panic said in NML 1914 - Team Game #3:
@elrood Is that “no retreat” as in “the special military operation is going according to plan”?
Si senore
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@redrum said in NML 1914 - Team Game #3:
@aequitas-et-veritas Is that GG? Hard to see how Turkey is gonna last much longer after that.
Please proceed
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Round: 14
Research Technology - Russia Russia spend 0 on tech rolls Russia roll 2,1 and gets 0 hits Combat Move - Russia 1 conscript moved from Georgia to Lurs 5 cavalrys, 15 conscripts, 7 field_guns, 2 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 12 infantry moved from Azerbaijan to Lurs 3 cavalrys moved from Azerbaijan to Lurs 1 fighter moved from Azerbaijan to Lurs 6 conscripts moved from St. Petersburg to Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia 6 conscripts moved from Sea Zone 9 Gulf of Bothnia to Lithuania 1 field_gun moved from Latvia to Lithuania 1 infantry moved from Latvia to Lithuania 2 conscripts and 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from Dnieper to Odessa 1 field_gun moved from Dnieper to Odessa 1 infantry moved from Dnieper to Odessa 1 conscript moved from Kiev to Odessa 1 conscript moved from Bratsk to Tiksi 1 conscript moved from Bratsk to Chita 1 field_gun moved from Bratsk to Tiksi 1 fighter moved from Bratsk to Chita Purchase Units - Russia Russia buy 16 conscripts, 6 field_guns, 2 fighters, 2 heavy_guns, 6 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 2 techTokens; Combat - Russia Battle in Chita Russia attack with 1 conscript and 1 fighter Communists defend with 1 conscript Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 fighter in Chita, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript in Chita, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 fighter in Chita, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript in Chita, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 fighter in Chita, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript in Chita, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Communists lost in Chita Russia win, taking Chita from Communists with 1 conscript and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for Communists: 1 conscript Battle in Tiksi Russia attack with 1 conscript and 1 field_gun Communists defend with 1 conscript and 1 trench Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Units damaged: 1 trench owned by the Communists Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Tiksi Russia roll dice for 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Russia roll dice for 1 field_gun in Tiksi, round 7 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Communists roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 trench in Tiksi, round 7 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Russia and 1 trench owned by the Communists lost in Tiksi Communists win with 1 conscript remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript and 1 field_gun Casualties for Communists: 1 trench Battle in Lithuania Russia attack with 6 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry Germany defend with 1 field_gun Russia roll dice for 6 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Lithuania, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Lithuania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russia roll dice for 6 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Lithuania, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Lithuania, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russia roll dice for 6 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Lithuania, round 4 : 0/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Lithuania, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Lithuania Russia roll dice for 5 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Lithuania, round 5 : 0/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Lithuania, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Lithuania Russia roll dice for 4 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry in Lithuania, round 6 : 1/3 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 field_gun in Lithuania, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 field_gun owned by the Germany lost in Lithuania Russia win, taking Lithuania from Germany with 4 conscripts, 1 field_gun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Russia: 2 conscripts Casualties for Germany: 1 field_gun Battle in Lurs Russia attack with 8 cavalrys, 16 conscripts, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 12 infantry Turkey defend with 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun, 15 infantry, 1 tank and 2 trenchs Russia roll dice for 8 cavalrys, 16 conscripts, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 12 infantry in Lurs, round 2 : 10/46 hits, 9.83 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun, 15 infantry, 1 tank and 2 trenchs in Lurs, round 2 : 9/32 hits, 10.67 expected hits 9 conscripts owned by the Russia, 3 infantry owned by the Turkey, 2 cavalrys owned by the Turkey, 1 tank owned by the Turkey and 2 trenchs owned by the Turkey lost in Lurs Russia roll dice for 8 cavalrys, 7 conscripts, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 12 infantry in Lurs, round 3 : 8/40 hits, 9.83 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun and 12 infantry in Lurs, round 3 : 6/24 hits, 8.83 expected hits 6 conscripts owned by the Russia and 8 infantry owned by the Turkey lost in Lurs Russia roll dice for 8 cavalrys, 1 conscript, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 12 infantry in Lurs, round 4 : 11/34 hits, 9.83 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun and 4 infantry in Lurs, round 4 : 8/16 hits, 6.17 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Russia, 1 conscript owned by the Russia, 4 infantry owned by the Turkey, 2 cavalrys owned by the Russia and 7 field_guns owned by the Turkey lost in Lurs Russia roll dice for 6 cavalrys, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 7 infantry in Lurs, round 5 : 9/26 hits, 8.67 expected hits Turkey roll dice for 1 field_gun, 3 fighters and 1 heavy_gun in Lurs, round 5 : 2/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russia, 3 fighters owned by the Turkey, 1 cavalry owned by the Russia, 1 heavy_gun owned by the Turkey and 1 field_gun owned by the Turkey lost in Lurs Russia win, taking Lurs from Turkey with 5 cavalrys, 7 field_guns, 3 fighters, 3 heavy_guns and 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 61 Casualties for Russia: 3 cavalrys, 16 conscripts and 6 infantry Casualties for Turkey: 2 cavalrys, 8 field_guns, 3 fighters, 1 heavy_gun, 15 infantry, 1 tank and 2 trenchs Battle in Eastern Poland Russia attack with 2 conscripts and 1 fighter Germany defend with 1 infantry Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts and 1 fighter in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts and 1 fighter in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russia roll dice for 2 conscripts and 1 fighter in Eastern Poland, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Eastern Poland Russia roll dice for 1 conscript and 1 fighter in Eastern Poland, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.50 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germany lost in Eastern Poland Russia win, taking Eastern Poland from Germany with 1 conscript and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry Battle in Odessa Russia attack with 1 conscript, 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Germany defend with 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen Russia roll dice for 1 conscript, 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Odessa, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germany roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen in Odessa, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 stormtruppen owned by the Germany, 1 infantry owned by the Germany and 1 conscript owned by the Russia lost in Odessa Russia win, taking Odessa from Germany with 1 field_gun, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Russia: 1 conscript Casualties for Germany: 1 infantry and 1 stormtruppen Non Combat Move - Russia 1 fighter moved from Odessa to Don 1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Don 2 conscripts moved from Kiev to Dnieper 2 conscripts moved from Dnieper to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Minsk to Belarus 2 conscripts moved from Minsk to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Dnieper 3 fighters moved from Lurs to Caucasus 2 fighters moved from Azerbaijan to Don 5 cavalrys moved from Azerbaijan to Don 1 conscript moved from Caucasus to Georgia 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Azerbaijan 1 heavy_gun moved from Caucasus to Azerbaijan 1 infantry moved from Don to Belarus 2 conscripts moved from Don to Belarus 1 infantry moved from Latvia to Lithuania 3 conscripts and 1 field_gun moved from Latvia to Belarus 3 conscripts moved from Moscow to Don 6 fighters moved from Primorsky to Bratsk 1 fighter moved from Chita to Bratsk 2 conscripts moved from Irkutsk to Bratsk 1 heavy_gun moved from Irkutsk to Bratsk 1 cavalry, 3 conscripts and 1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Bratsk 2 conscripts moved from Omsk to Novosibirsk 2 conscripts moved from Kazakhstan to Novosibirsk 3 conscripts moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan 1 fighter moved from Volgograd to Bratsk Place Units - Russia Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russia from Vladivostok: 3 conscripts EDIT: Adding units owned by Russia to Primorsky: 3 conscripts EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 conscripts and 1 heavy_gun placed in Vladivostok 1 conscript, 1 heavy_gun and 1 infantry placed in Irkutsk 2 conscripts placed in Omsk 3 conscripts and 1 fighter placed in Volgograd 3 conscripts placed in Caucasus Russia undo move 5. 1 transport placed in Sea Zone 64 Sea of Azov 2 conscripts placed in Caucasus 3 conscripts placed in Kiev 3 field_guns placed in Belarus 1 field_gun and 2 infantry placed in Minsk 1 conscript, 1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in Moscow 2 conscripts, 2 field_guns and 2 infantry placed in St. Petersburg Activate Technology - Russia Trigger RussiaS: Russia met a national objective for an additional 1 techTokens; end with 3 techTokens Turn Complete - Russia Russia collect 101 PUs; end with 102 PUs Russia collect 8 PUs from War Bonds; end with 110 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germany regular : 0.33 Communists regular : 0.50 Russia regular : -3.67 Turkey regular : -3.17
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