Made some NCM adjustments to USA and UK, please use later file if you are OK with it. Thanks!
Trulpen (X) - Martin (L+40) L21 OOB Playoffs Round 1
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@trulpen said in Trulpen (X) - Martin (L+40) L21 OOB Playoffs Round 1:
Strangely enough Russia’s NO looks to be active. However, they’re at war with Italy and there’s an Axis warship (german des) in z125. What I remember from the rules, that’s enough to cancel the NO.
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I noticed this as well in some games. Actually russia is at war in Europe, Check. 125 is not free of axis war ships, but free of enemy war ships. My rules say „free of axis war ships“, so trippleA would be incorrect here. I would also be interested to understand what is the correct rule here.Good luck to you both!
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Game History
Round: 3 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 2 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from Belarus to Baltic States 1 bomber moved from Russia to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Hopei 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Kiangsi Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kiangsi Combat - Russians Battle in Hopei Russians attack with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Hopei Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Hopei, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei Russians win, taking Hopei from Japanese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1 Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Kiangsi Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsi, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kiangsi, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Kiangsi Russians win, taking Kiangsi from Japanese with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend; Italians defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Baltic States Russians win, taking Baltic States from Italians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 armour Battle in Eastern Poland Russians attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Germans defend; Italians defend with 1 armour Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Eastern Poland Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Italians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Bessarabia: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Ukraine: 1 infantry EDIT: Changing ownership of Bessarabia from Italians to Russians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers could not land in Baltic States and were removed 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber could not land in Eastern Poland and were removed 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Russia 1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Russia 1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Archangel 1 artillery moved from Belarus to Bryansk 3 artilleries moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 1 aaGun moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 1 aaGun moved from Ukraine to Bryansk 2 aaGuns moved from Belarus to Bryansk 2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies 6 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk 11 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk 1 aaGun and 11 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Dzavhan 2 infantry moved from Tsagaan Olom to Central Mongolia 2 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Dzavhan 2 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Chahar 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan 1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Yunnan 1 infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk 1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bessarabia 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Novgorod 3 infantry placed in Ukraine 2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 37 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -1,00 Japanese regular : 0,00 Russians regular : -3,50 -
I think there is some interesting constellation now in this game :-) Italy is at war with Russia, but Germany is not. And Russia just refused to declare war on Germany.
The rules clearly say “When the Soviet Union Is at War in Europe” - I assume that when the game was developed, the game designers could not imagine that Russia is at war with Italy but not with Germany.
I interpret the rules the same way as you. I will edit 5 IPC less income for Russia and re-post.
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@trulpen Russians and Germans standing hand in hand in Eastern Europe, celebrating Christmas together :-)
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Yes, that’s a bit crazy. 😁
What I remember from the rules though is that it’s not possible to attack land territories (interestingly it’s different for sea zones) containing neutral units. There would need to be a DOW first.
I’m pretty sure about this, but will have to look it up.
If it’s correct I’ll allow for you to change the moves in EU (or those that are impacted).
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Think I found the rules (p. 15 Europe, p.14 Pacific):
Powers Not at War with One Another
When two powers on opposite sides are not yet
at war with one another, they operate under some
special conditions and restrictions.
[…]
Combat: A power can’t attack a territory controlled
by or containing units belonging to a power with
which it is not at war. If a power at war attacks a sea
zone containing units belonging to both a power with
which it’s already at war and a power with which it’s
not at war, the latter power’s units are ignored. Those
units won’t participate in the battle in any way, and a
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@myygames said in Trulpen (X) - Martin (L+40) L21 OOB Playoffs Round 1:
Lurking in here, Hope you dont mind ;-)
Feel free to follow the game.
@Martin It’s a rather cheezy maneuver with Italy, but unfortunately the battles on E Poland and the Baltic have to be cancelled.
I’m not sure how different moves will impact the east, but I’ll wait for you to adjust the position further before moving with Japan.
You now have 4 inf and the fig and sb that may move during NCM instead.
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You can of course change other NCMs as well as placement of units.
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Ah, yes, also if you wanted to then DOW on Germany so the same procedure won’t be repeated, just declare that here and I’ll DOW with Germany when the turn comes. Changing states of war by edit might lead to different problems further on.
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@trulpen darn, I felt like an innovative pioneer and turned out to be an illegal alien…
Thank you for the clarification. Two TrippleA-bugs in one turn is a record, when I also count the Russian National Objective.
I will now have a look at the non-combat movements.
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Sorry for that. It’s not an easy rule to spot.
I did the preliminary changes, and can do J now. Don’t think there’s any real impact between the two arenas. You can tell me how you want the setup and I can adjust during J NCM or if you want do it during US.
Or if you prefer I can wait a little while more.
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@trulpen please go ahead and do Japan. My planes land in Moscow. The 1 inf from Novgorod will stay in Novgorod, the other marches to Archangel.
1 in from Belarus will stay in Belarus, and the other goes to Bryansk.
No DOW from Russia.
Thank you for your help.
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@trulpen I think the rulebook is a nightmare. It helps when you can search a PDF. To quickly find something special in the paper book is sherely impossible…
I will be able to play the US, only in the evening. Until then, I will pray to the god of dice :-)
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@martin said in Trulpen (X) - Martin (L+40) L21 OOB Playoffs Round 1:
@trulpen please go ahead and do Japan. My planes land in Moscow. The 1 inf from Novgorod will stay in Novgorod, the other marches to Archangel.
1 in from Belarus will stay in Belarus, and the other goes to Bryansk.
No DOW from Russia.
Thank you for your help.
To clarify (you can always change things later if I misunderstood something), you built 3 inf in Leningrad. As I understand it you want 1 inf there. The other 2 would then be built in Moscow.
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@trulpen no, I build three in Novgorod and will have 4 in total. But I will have a look later.
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Game History
Round: 3
Purchase Units - Japanese Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 7 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Belarus: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing PUs for Russians from 32 to 30 EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Eastern Poland from Russians to Italians EDIT: Changing ownership of Baltic States from Russians to Italians EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Slovakia Hungary: 2 armour EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java 2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi Japanese take Kwangsi from Chinese 1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R. 1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Malaya 1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to Java 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 battleship moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Kiangsi 1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Kweichow 2 fighters moved from Jehol to Kiangsi EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus EDIT: 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus EDIT: 2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus EDIT: 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Baltic States EDIT: 1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland 1 fighter moved from Jehol to Kiangsi 1 bomber moved from Hunan to 37 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Hunan to Malaya 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Buyant-Uhaa Japanese take Buyant-Uhaa from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Buryatia to Ulaanbaatar Japanese take Ulaanbaatar from Russians 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Yakut S.S.R. 1 destroyer moved from 43 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Hunan to Malaya 1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone Combat - Japanese Battle in Yakut S.S.R. Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 1/12 hits, 2,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Yakut S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Yakut S.S.R. Japanese win, taking Yakut S.S.R. from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in 37 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports British defend with 1 destroyer; French defend with 1 destroyer; ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3,50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers in 37 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese 1 destroyer owned by the French, 1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC, 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 37 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Casualties for French: 1 destroyer Battle in 42 Sea Zone Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers and 2 transports British defend with 1 destroyer Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 destroyers and 2 transports in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 42 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 42 Sea Zone Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific with 1 battleship, 2 destroyers and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Java Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers British defend with 2 infantry; ANZAC defend with 1 fighter Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Java, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 3,00 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the ANZAC and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Java Japanese win, taking Java from UK_Pacific with 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Malaya Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber British defend with 3 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Malaya, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3,50 expected hits UK_Pacific roll dice for 3 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Malaya Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 3 infantry Battle in Kweichow Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Chinese defend with 1 infantry Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kweichow, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow Japanese win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Battle in Kiangsi Japanese attack with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Russians defend with 1 armour Japanese roll dice for 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Kiangsi, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 3,50 expected hits Chinese roll dice for 1 armour in Kiangsi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Kiangsi Japanese win, taking Kiangsi from Chinese with 5 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Russians: 1 armour Non Combat Move - Japanese Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to 6 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Japan 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol 1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Anhwe 3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe 1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia 1 carrier moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone 1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Hunan 1 fighter moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsi to Hunan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 37 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Hunan 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kweichow to Anhwe 2 bombers moved from Malaya to Hunan EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod EDIT: 5 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk Place Units - Japanese 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone 3 infantry placed in Shantung 4 infantry placed in Japan Turn Complete - Japanese Japanese collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 59 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0,17
Japanese regular : -1,00
UK_Pacific regular : -0,33
Russians regular : -0,33
British regular : 0,50
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@martin said in Trulpen (X) - Martin (L+40) L21 OOB Playoffs Round 1:
@trulpen no, I build three in Novgorod and will have 4 in total. But I will have a look later.
Sounds good. With 2 italian tanks left perhaps you also want to reconsider the setup in Bessarabia and W Ukraine?
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Hmm, the german air disappeared from the italian territories in Russia when they were converted to russian. I’ll edit.
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