Carrier escape from kamikazi

[COJOH]

@krieghund
That was my fear… Even when it is not explicit forbidden in the rulebook, it would be not a real combat move in order to do a real combat.
Tks

[surfer]

I’m just curious. I thought the Allies had a BB + CR +CV in the space from the statement
“In order to avoid battleship and cruiser bombardement, Japan could perform a kamikazi run”
The CV was just there to host the ftrs. It could leave (sufficient distance that the ftrs can land on it), and the remaining forces could amphib assault+defend against scramble. The kamikazi can attack a ship, but the CV is fine.

[Krieghund]

@surfer There is no scramble. There are only kamikazes, and since they don’t force a battle on their own, there is no combat to escape. Therefore, the carrier may not leave without participating in combat elsewhere.

[COJOH]

@surfer
That was my question : can the carrier leave during combat movement to avoid kamikaze attack. I follow Krieghund. You can only move during combat movement to perform a real attack. In my case there wasn’t really a combat goal by moving the CV.
It is only possible to move the CV during non combat movement but then it would already be to late to avoid kamikaze attack.

There wasn’t indeed no scramble.

[surfer]

@krieghund Now I’m confused. How is this different from the transport rule we discussed earlier
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2864

Basically, I’m moving a CV during combat to escape a potential kamikazi. The remaining ships can fight, and the ftrs if they survive can go land on the CV.

Is the rule that only transports get to decide what phase of movement they are involved with since they cannot combat anyway? That is a subtlety that I did not appreciate.

[surfer]

BTW, how is the scramble any different than kamikazi? Neither are in play at the time of combat movement. There is no combat in either case–only the defender’s option to combat.
I would think if you could avoid combat from scramble, then you should be able to avoid combat from kamikazi.

[Krieghund]

@surfer said in Carrier escape from kamikazi:

@krieghund Now I’m confused. How is this different from the transport rule we discussed earlier
https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/18412/global-2nd-edition-q-a-aag40-2/2864

It is different because in that case the transports were moving to escape a battle. In this case, there is no battle to escape.

@surfer said in Carrier escape from kamikazi:

BTW, how is the scramble any different than kamikazi? Neither are in play at the time of combat movement. There is no combat in either case–only the defender’s option to combat.
I would think if you could avoid combat from scramble, then you should be able to avoid combat from kamikazi.

A scramble forces a sea battle, while a kamikaze strike does not. A kamikaze strike is a single attack against a single unit, not a full-blown battle.

[surfer]

@Krieghund Ok. I get it. Thanks for the quick reply.

[AndrewAAGamer]

Wow. Great Questions and Replies! This is indeed a nuance I am not sure I appreciated. Thank you all!

[COJOH]

@andrewaagamer
indeed, very very interesting discussion. It only makes this powerfull game more attractive for me. I’m going to play now again Pacific 1940 and after that I’ll start to read the rules for the guadalcanal version… Curious about this specific rare game…