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China owns too much US debt. They need us. I’d think in the short term at least till China can diversify and grow its stockpiles of raw materials they’ll keep NK on a short leash.
@Cmdr:
I think they’ll launch on Japan though.
In which case, the US would have to punch their ticket.
Preferably with conventional arms.
Not to get political, but I just don’t see the current crop of leaders, who ran and got elected on the message of peace at all costs, doing anything to N. Korea if they launch on Japan.
If they hit Hawaii and took out their favorite hotel, perhaps. But maybe not even then.
Ok so your saying we need to wait it out ignore their threats and treat them like some dude from a mental house threating to kill the president …. North Korea is a country with nucs and when they threat our country we should take it serously… not like a stupid fool from a mental house… Remember North Korea is a communist country and china basically raised them and made them into it… (if you remember korean war)… and believe me im almost for certain that if north korea invades so will china and yes we may have uk and japan and south korea and france with us but think do you really think any country would join us escpeciallyt when the economy is low and america is getting close to bankruptsy and if there was a war this would cost lots of money and with the economy low if i was japan south korea or uk, i would tell usa to tuf it out because if i was the leader of those countrys i would think its not worth my people and my money to enter a fight that was not meant for me… but on youtube there is a speech that gen patton gives about war on terror or something like that some1 made it up but its really good you should see it… but im nervous about our country’s future we need to survive as a freedom based country! but thx every1 lets keep this going and i would still like to know what you would think
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do you really believe all of this? ( edit: to remove flame)
@Cmdr:
@Cmdr:
I think they’ll launch on Japan though.
In which case, the US would have to punch their ticket.
Preferably with conventional arms.Not to get political, but I just don’t see the current crop of leaders, who ran and got elected on the message of peace at all costs, doing anything to N. Korea if they launch on Japan.
If they hit Hawaii and took out their favorite hotel, perhaps. But maybe not even then.
That was not the message. They most certainly would do something. If anything, it would be a reason to end all concern about a backwards country that is failing its people.
Since the U.S has large amounts of troops on two fronts already, I would not support getting involved in a Korean War.
I believe Japan would jump at the chance to flex it’s military power. South Korea is no push over. A 1970-80 soviet era North Korean Army would get destroyed in a future war. Although Seoul would no doubt lay in rubble if war showed its ugly face.
Well if there was a war Japan and South Korea vs North KOrea we know japan and south korea would prob own on North Korea but i think if japan and south korea started to push out north korea and start to threatin china territoryy china would no doubt get involved… then usa would more than likely get along… but we all remember the vietnam conflict our soilders basically had to fight with thier hands tied behind their backs… and if america got involved i think the un would keep usa fighting with our hands tied behind our back… Because people now think that we shouldnt elimmentate socialism or communism we should just put a leash on it… but as we all know that has not worked… I dont know what will happen but I do know 1 thing if there was a war and america got involved i think it would be another world war (world war 3) and the war ould be between capitalism vs socialism… or democracy vs communism… and i know capitalism and democracy is much better than soicalism and communism… but if america got involved we would be in bad shape after the war because we have a prob in middle east and we have an economy prob… but we maybe could make it… To bring up a new topic if there was another war what countries would be on america, japan, and south korea who would be on that side and who would be on china and north korea’s side… So plzz keep on replyin and tell me what countries you think would join which side… So plzz do that and thanks again
The missle launches are complete propaganda. Not only is it unlikly that North Korea would start a war, but if a war started they probably would never use them. Not only are they not relible, but they are not effeicent. North Korea has a number submarines that fire topedos that can have nulcear warheads. With these they could destory large parts of the Japanese coastal Cities, and although Japan has a fair navy with good ASW, with enough time and planning the North Korea will fined a way to get by it.
The US also keeps improving anti-missle weaponry every few years and as long as the US keeps its R&D funding it will have defences that can completly shield our allies and certainly any of our cities. I am not worried at all about nukes being fired at the United States and i dont see why anyone esle should be.
In my opinion this whole North Korean nukes issue will defuse when either, Kims son becomes in charge in which case he might not be as insane as his father and instead open North Korean up to the rest of the world, the Military leaders or whatever other political leaders in North Korea get sick of the mismangement and have a coup putting them in charge and then ending the nuke porgram and again opening the country to the rest of the world, or the Chinese might have support a coup inside that country so they can control what happens.
@Cmdr:
Not to get political, but I just don’t see the current crop of leaders, who ran and got elected on the message of peace at all costs, doing anything to N. Korea if they launch on Japan.
If they hit Hawaii and took out their favorite hotel, perhaps. But maybe not even then.
Your elected leaders would have no alternative. Nobody outside the G7 gets to commit an act of war against the G7 with impunity.
Especially nuclear powers.
@ABWorsham:
Since the U.S has large amounts of troops on two fronts already, I would not support getting involved in a Korean War.
I believe Japan would jump at the chance to flex it’s military power. South Korea is no push over. A 1970-80 soviet era North Korean Army would get destroyed in a future war. Although Seoul would no doubt lay in rubble if war showed its ugly face.
Using my much-fractured and foggy cystal ball, I’m thinking a whack of ROK and Japanese ground forces to keep a Pacific Rim face on things but you’d need US airpower, ALCMs, logistics etc. and some ground troops. (So where’s the 10th Mountain nowadays? Somebody send Korean-English dictionaries to Fort Drum…)
And of course a sprinking of other nations to keep it PC.
China would probably sit on their hands. There’s a line you draw when your “ally” is unreasonably dangerous and they’d probably prefer a unified ROK with strong economic ties to China than a hot war to restore what?.. the current instability with a dysfunctional puppet south of the Yalu?
The missle launches are complete propaganda. Not only is it unlikly that North Korea would start a war, but if a war started they probably would never use them. Not only are they not relible, but they are not effeicent.
I agree with everything except for the belief that the missiles’ reliability and inefficiency would prevent the North Koreans from using them. I think their “wonder weapon” status would make them tempting.
In my opinion this whole North Korean nukes issue will defuse when either, Kims son becomes in charge in which case he might not be as insane as his father and instead open North Korean up to the rest of the world, the Military leaders or whatever other political leaders in North Korea get sick of the mismangement and have a coup putting them in charge and then ending the nuke porgram and again opening the country to the rest of the world, or the Chinese might have support a coup inside that country so they can control what happens.
Yeah. Agreed.
the current instability with a dysfunctional puppet south of the Yalu?
That probably sounds better to the Chinese than the 10th Mountain. At least it did 59 years ago.
It’s not a question of North Korea to launch nukes against anyone or anything, their goals is to let the US and Japan, and also China to let them live their life with the booze and whores, and lots of cash and such, while the NC leadership let a substantial number of their own people starve to death.
Even if I live in Europe and not in the US, I would not feel threatened by Kim Jung IL /NC if I was a US citizen.
Some people are more stable with booze than anti psychotics, and Kim Jung il would not follow any advise other than his own, anyway. :roll: :evil: :lol: :-D :-)
Lets hope that Kim Jung iL drinks himself to death pretty soon, but this can take several years, imo, and hopefully/probably his successor will probably be at least slightly more sensible and rational, both in behavior and in the political/diplomatically ways.
A few points.
1. Currently N. Korea does not have the means to deliver a nuke to America. Hawaii possibly but that is a small target at the max range of what they supposedly have.
2. Kim is crazy but I don’t think he is THAT crazy. Launching a nuke at the US would be suicide. Keep in mind no other nation has EVER used a nuclear device in war except the US.
3. I don’t think China would really back N. Korea all that far if push came to shove. China seems more interested in returning to what they consider their rightful place as one of the world leaders and less in the whole Communist world revelation. Simply put, they would rather sell goods to the US and Europe than back a bunch of nut jobs whom they gain nothing from.
Well if there was a war Japan and South Korea vs North KOrea we know japan and south korea would prob own on North Korea but i think if japan and south korea started to push out north korea and start to threatin china territoryy china would no doubt get involved… then usa would more than likely get along…
As stated, China has more interest in trading with the US than supporting a pint sized dictator with nothing to offer. I think we all learned from Korea/Vietnam. Or at least hope so.
but we all remember the vietnam conflict our soilders basically had to fight with thier hands tied behind their backs….
The means to the end you desire from that conflict are not worth it, nor would the result be favorable. Winning, if even possible, would have invalidated everything we are supposed to stand for.
and if america got involved i think the un would keep usa fighting with our hands tied behind our back…
The UN disproved of our last venture into Iraq, but it didn’t amount to much.
Because people now think that we shouldnt elimmentate socialism or communism we should just put a leash on it….
Uh…those are not crimes. There is no reason to eliminate them. And if you think you can anyway, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
To bring up a new topic if there was another war what countries would be on america, japan, and south korea who would be on that side and who would be on china and north korea’s side….
I don’t see any reason to believe a World War is at hand, or that the lines would be drawn as you imagine.
but we all remember the vietnam conflict our soilders basically had to fight with thier hands tied behind their backs….
The means to the end you desire from that conflict are not worth it, nor would the result be favorable. Winning, if even possible, would have invalidated everything we are supposed to stand for.
Winning was possible if we our people and government would have been willing to invade North Veitnam. That should have been the policy starting in 56 when the North Veitamese began their attacks southward. By 69 we had killed all the south veitnamese communists and it probalby would have been still practical to carry the war north if it wernt for the politicians/voters/cronkite. Instead we egaged in useless operation in Cambodia, stratigic bombing of the North, and veitnamization. For almost two years it semi-worked after we pulled out but then the south got major blitzkreiged.
If you think the Chinese done as it did in Korea if we went north, I am sure that move would have pissed off the soveits, plus we had really great tech and the narrowness of much of the Northern and central terrain in veitnam would have prevented as succseful chinese counter-attack or swarm tactics.
Winning was possible if we our people and government would have been willing to invade North Veitnam. That should have been the policy starting in 56 when the North Veitamese began their attacks southward.
Vietnam was no more than colonial meddling that started with our support of French occupied territories. We actually subverted democracy to satisfy our own notions of “security.” This is why the war continued for so long. We would have come out far ahead not getting into it in the first place. We saw it as fighting communism (dumb) when the Vietnamese saw it as unification, overthrowing foreign invaders, and the beginning of autonomy.
To think that killing more Vietnamese (and Americans) for no purpose than scoring a victory is surely a dark stain on what we supposedly stand for.
( removed last line). Lets keep it friendly please.
The North Veitnamese saw it as unification.
And I argee the half-heated and theoretical way our leaders pursued the war was ubsurd, ineffective and wrong.
But having “communist” dicatorships spring up across the whole without putting up any resistence would defenitently be detremental to capitalism, the US and its allies. And I think the destruction that the war caused did at least retard the spread of Communism, after all Communists nations did seem to go downhill from 1975 onwards. We wernt exactly supporting democracy in veitnam, but wouldnt you say that the NVA and VC made democracy rather difficult. And I think it is important to spread democacy around the world because it tames populations and leaders if they have a demacratic government.
Being a Canadian we always have an opinion on everything. :-D
In my opinion I believe North Korea is acting like a spoiled teenage child wanting attention.
Think about it. They have been isolated from the real world for half a century now and they want in on the world action but are not sure how to proceed to get the US to pay attention to them, so they threat nuclear to strike a cord and get noticed. The more US ignores them the worst it will get, but I do not believe they are going to be that stupid to actually start something they cannot win. The US will eventually come around to them and give them some the attention they want, and give their poor egos that little bit of a stroking they are longing for. The US is (right now) trying to smooth things a little (for Japan’s sake) but does not like being threatened, and I do not think they have much interest in NK either way.
I agree with frimmel that China needs the US too much and with a44bigdog on all three of his points as well. China has made too much headway in the last decade to destroy all they have accomplished over a north - south fued that is half a century old.
Once Kim dies and the north opens up slowly more and more to radio, tv and internet, its people will not want a war, but will want change towards more say and more freedoms and liberties, more like a Chinese democracy.
Thats my two cents worth. 8-)
I believe that no country will ever directly attempt to use a nuclear weapon against another country that also posses that weapon. Even if a mad dictator would want it, I have faith that his generals are clever enough to not set their country and our world to doom.
Also, China might be friendly with Korea, but I doubt China would actually be involved in a conflict if N.Korea acts stupid
Also, no WWIII close, sorry bro.
I believe OBama, and future American presidents will be more concerned about USA reputation than Bush, so UN will have some impact.
I believe both Iran and North Korea are more or less the same. None really want to strike someone with Nuke (IRan hates Israel, but will not strike first). They just want some attention, some strenght on the international market.
Countries should act like us, Canada. No need for weapons, no need for nuclear weapon (I’ve read somewhere that Canada is probably a country that can build a nuke very quickly due to our numerous nuclear reactors and our technology). I suppose international news never mention us, its like we don’t exist. Except when baby seals get hunted. That’s the only time you will hear about Canada
Countries should act like us, Canada. No need for weapons, no need for nuclear weapon (I’ve read somewhere that Canada is probably a country that can build a nuke very quickly due to our numerous nuclear reactors and our technology). I suppose international news never mention us, its like we don’t exist. Except when baby seals get hunted. That’s the only time you will hear about Canada
The whole “Existence of Canada” issue is a bunch of liberal propaganda, no country could that perfect! :-D
but on a more seirous note, I hope you understand that the independence of your country aswell as most others is the perpetual responsibilty of the United States Armed Forces.
