There are only strategies, not static strategies. I make different decisions in every single game, this is what matters most. How different strats are conducted is the most important factors for winning the game.
Whether we like it or not, some strats are more efficient than others, regardless of LL or ADS.
There are overall strats like KJF and KGF, but they are not static strats, only general strats.
It’s not coincidental that many A&A players think tech is completely broken.
You use different TACTICS to achieve your STRATEGY but your STRATEGY is pretty much set after round 3.
Many of, in my opinion, weaker players do not like technology because they can be deploying a certain STRATEGY and then their opponent could get a technology that neutralizes that STRATEGY. These, in my opinion, weaker players cannot handle it and so they refuse to play with technology. It’s not about whether or not technology is broken, it’s all about their inability to compensate for, and work around technology.
You know, you COULD spend thousands of IPCs and not get a single technology. Or you could buy a single die with Russia and Italy and get a tech that helps eventually.
I do agree that winning against an opponent that obtains a the “right tech” working around the tech requires ability but on the other hand winning obtaining the “right tech” requires more luck than ability.
So I have the possibility for winning a potentially more harder game but at same time I may lose in a fast manner.
Tech is like an House Rule I think and Larry Harris has rightly classified it as optional in Anniversary.
With my playgroup we like a lot the National Adavantages in Revised (that I would like to have in Anniversary… Italian tank that may retreat from battles… :mrgreen:) that we usually assigned with dice. Obtaining Dive bombers or Panzer Blitz for Germany was almost overkill. Winning against them was really enjoing. Also they are more like House Rules.
Then, HR may like or not but they are not mandatory and IMHO is not right to think that a player that choose to not use a HR is a worst player of another that use it.
The only thing tech does different is even more randomness, this is exactly the same issue as in the LL vs ADS discussion. In the long run, the best player will win.
The biggest difference is that you need to play more games with ADS and/or tech than in LL, but the best STRATEGY A&A player will win in the long run. So stop lying about good or bad players, b/c the greater or lesser randomness will even out in the long run. And Larry Harris have said that he hates tech.
If I was the game designer I would not force LL as a mandatory rule, and if players still wants to use tech then it is a good idea to keep it as an optional rule, but this is not about skills, is about what we like and what we don’t like, and many players don’t like tech so we play w/o it. I you claim that players who prefers no tech is not so good as tech players, you better prove it, or stop lying. It’s the same as claiming soccer players are better players than basketball players b/c there is more randomness in soccer, and it is the same as claiming that the best players will not will in the long run!!!
Hi Commander Jennifer,
first, this post is about closing tripleA by Hasbro which sucks. They are afraid people not going to buy their games but simply play AaA online. They did not consider that friends next door will never play it online, they just meet and play. But if you don’t have someone to play with, why buy that game ?? The online version is a good opportunity to find players and just play. It’s a shame for Hasbro after years of experience with Axis & Allies and its potential buyers to not have foreseen this trend and missed to place their own online product.
as a second point: You are completely wrong. Better players tend to not play with technology, because that kind of game play requires 100% strategic skills and better players have that know-how.
As an easy example: a complete stupid player researchs some overwhelming techs, such as LRA and HB, simply builds bombers and kick the crap out of Germany and Italy. Tell me what special skills does that kind of gameplay require? Absolutely nothing! Every idiot can play like that ( I am not saying that people that play like that are idiots, i say everyone can simply play like that!). Compare this with an US player having a strong fleet against Japan, cleverly uses the starting planes from all his ACs doing some action and land on some allied-controlled islands, while newly build fighters land on the now empty ACs after some action. Or playing the Allies combined, such as UK captures an island, while US is landing masses of fighters on it, preventing Japan from recapturing that island. This is skilled gameplay, not researching heavy bombers. - My Opinion -
….and IL, Tech is not broken.
I didn’t say it was. I said the choices are something like ‘food fillers’ for lack of better choices. Its like a meatloaf made with ingredients that could show a bit more creative input.
Advanced Artillery, Mechanized Infantry and a few others are ‘tricks’ to avoid directly adding these units to the game as new pieces, but ‘invented’ by taking the existing ideas and adding nothing really in terms of a new idea that leads to a new dynamic strategy.
NO reality has these technologies in a game. Both existed in WW1. If you look at the actual major technologies that were important and first used in WW2, both of these would NEVER make the list.
However, Atomic Bomb should be on the list, as well as ASW, Wolf pack, and various others that SHOULD have been these choices. I swear to god that Mechanized Infantry were supposed to be in this game and were left out at the last minute when WOTC determined that development costs would overrun budget. So somebody probably said: “Hey just make it a Technology!” and this cheesy way of fitting it in came about. I think that its inclusion was a test run of the idea to see how it worked because they didn’t play test it but wanted to try it.
To me games should not be a testing ground for ideas in a weak form so that a more practical version may appear in future games. Of course this is only my insight in this design and i can be entirely wrong. But i do know if i had this in any of my house rules i might get a baseball bat in the back of my head for being so ridiculous.
@Subotai:
…you better prove it, or stop lying.
Please learn the difference between fact and opinion, and also drop the hostility it accomplishes nothing
This is about TripleA being shut down. Not tech, don’t we have enough of those threads already?
Secondly, if they started with TripleA where will they end? BattleMap uses the same exact map, could that be shut down? Could IL’s deluxe map he made be forced off the net? Etc.
Doesn’t really matter though, i’ll still use tripleA and now I will not purchase the new game they are making. Period.
yes, every thread on this forum seems to get hijacked at some point into either a discussion about tech, nos, dice, strats, rules, etc.
PLEASE EVERYONE,
even if you do not use TripleA, please express your solidarity with other A&A players and other forum members by SENDING HASBRO AN EMAIL PLZ
I haven’t read all of this thread, but in case anyone hasn’t said it…
Maybe they shut it down because they are about to sell a better version themselves? :?
Maybe they shut it down because they are about to sell a better version themselves?
Hello? Thats exactly what it must mean. They remove the competition so they can maximize the success of their product.
Except for the fact that when they release a new boardgame they do absolutely nothing to support it, so this could be some kind of ‘chimp reaction’ from stale bananas. WOTC chimps often do radical things for no good reason because somebody pulled their chain too hard or a chimp fell out of its tree.
Hasbro did not support the CD-rom from 98, so they probably are not going to support an A&A game if they make it.
It’s easy to make something with better graphics than TripleA, and it’s a question of money, just hire a bunch of coders then the official game will be much better than TripleA. But there is good reason that many of us prefer TripleA before GTO, and that is that imo, the only thing which is better at GTO is better graphics. TripleA has tons of options compared to the GTO version.
And it’s doubtful that Hasbro will manage to shut down TripleA, the only problem at the moment is that the development process is stopped b/c it can’t be hosted at sourceforge until the copyright issue has been solved, or fixed, but it can be hosted elsewhere. This hole thing pisses me off, Hasbro is not interested in making a better product than TripleA, so they use a lawyer and send a letter, instead of hiring coders to make a better game than triplea, I myself and other players will chose whatever game or software platform we think suits our needs most.
We need to get the lobby going again.
they can´t really ban a lobby, even if we only uses a IRC channel it would suffice. then we just set up a normal direct connect game.
@Imperious:
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Advanced Artillery, Mechanized Infantry and a few others are ‘tricks’ to avoid directly adding these units to the game as new pieces, but ‘invented’ by taking the existing ideas and adding nothing really in terms of a new idea that leads to a new dynamic strategy.
NO reality has these technologies in a game. Both existed in WW1. If you look at the actual major technologies that were important and first used in WW2, both of these would NEVER make the list.
Well maybe they could have done both - had it as tech - and create pieces which could only be used after the tech was acquired. I always thought they should have done that with jet fighters from 2nd Ed. on.
You could have a helicopter tech! (God knows what it would be).
PS: It does suck about triple A. If anything because a lot of people spent a lot of time putting all that together and now it’s been f**ked.
It’s just important to stay informed about where things go from here. Where there’s a will there’s a way. There must be ways for the willing to get around legal restrictions.
We wait and see.
PPS: I doubt an A&A game is going to come out from Hasbro. In reality - whenever I looked at Triple A they had at most a few 100 downloads. It’s hardly a market for a commercial game is it?
That’s why I don’t understand Hasbro - they seem to be being rather petty about it all. It’s not like there’s copies of AA50 not flying off the shelves while triple A downloads are hitting their second million. (I live in London and got my AA50 from NEW ZEALAND for chrissakes).
Hey ho.
It’s fully possible that there will be software version from Hasbro, but I didn’t hear anything yet, so I don’t believe it until I see it.
And if we look at history, Hasbro/wotc did not spend a lot of resources on A&A, even if the boardgames look fine. I have very strong doubts that an official A&A game will be better than TripleA, and that is not b/c TripleA is very good, it’s b/c Wotc/Hasbro don’t care about A&A.
At least they should make GTO as good as TripleA, even if I don’t like the layout. An official software A&A game must have all the options of TripleA, plus the graphics of GTO, and all A&A variants, not only Revised, b/c thats the only thing GTO can offer right now, and it took several months before they implemented bids… :roll:
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In light of the recent actions regarding the removal of Triple A, this chimp action can only make sence in a continuing series of stupid chimp antics and chimp behavior. I post at these forums at least once a week. Its like a chicken with a head cut off.
If it wasn’t for the forthcoming release of AA42 I could suspect that Hasbro/Wotc wanted to kill A&A completely…!
Most of the members on AA.org are mostly, or also playing the boardgame f2f in local playgroups, but many of us prefer the software versions of A&A, be it Abattlemap, GTO or TripleA. The most important things we have in common, is that we love A&A, preferably Revised and AA50. That’s the most important matter here, not if it is boardgame or software.
We agree on some matters IL, and we disagree on other issues, but we both love A&A.
TripleA will not be removed, but the developing process have been halted.
TripleA helps A&A evolving, as does the hundreds or thousands of local f2f playgroups across the world.
Wotc/Hasbro are really into a strategy of sabotaging A&A seriously, imo. Where will it end???
Just pray they don’t release a new version each 3 months as they do with Magic, making the game unplayable for all saving 24/7 players :lol: They are walking in that direction, making random changes to the rules (Nerfed Industry tech) and changing the faqs each month :|
We agree on some matters IL, and we disagree on other issues, but we both love A&A.
we don’t agree on LL. I only really favor it for AA guns firing at multiple planes. Yes AA must be protected and evolve to greater things. Yes we fight for this!
