#2 L21 PTV ArtofWar (AX+5) v max334 (AL)

[max334]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
        Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
        Trigger Russians Allied Americans 6: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Quebec
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Eastern United States
        2 destroyers moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Aleutian Islands to 9 Sea Zone
        2 marines moved from Aleutian Islands to 9 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 9 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine moved from 4 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 2 marines moved from 9 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Aleutian Islands to Amur
        1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 17 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to Amur
        1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Americans
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Eastern United States
        1 transport placed in 104 Sea Zone
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber placed in 11 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 50 PUs; end with 51 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 61 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Hunan
        1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Hunan
        6 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Hunan
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hunan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hunan
            Chinese win, taking Hunan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Yunnan
            Chinese attack with 6 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 6 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Szechwan

    Place Units - Chinese
        1 infantry placed in Northern Sinkiang
        1 infantry placed in Eastern Sinkiang
        1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
        1 infantry placed in Szechwan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs
        Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 10 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 82 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 40 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        British buy 2 artilleries, 2 infantry, 1 marine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 73 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 73 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Kenya to 74 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 82 Sea Zone to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to French Indo China
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Persia to Iraq
        1 cruiser moved from 78 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 40 Sea Zone to 78 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in Iraq
            British attack with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis and 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq
            British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
        Battle in French Indo China
            British attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in French Indo China, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in French Indo China, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in French Indo China
            British win, taking French Indo China from Japanese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India
        1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to French Equatorial Africa
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kenya to Egypt
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 artillery moved from Kenya to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 infantry moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya
        1 fighter moved from Southern Persia to Eastern India
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 109 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 112 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Baluchistan
        1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to Eire
              British take Eire from Neutral_Allies
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt
        1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom

    Place Units - British
        1 transport placed in 112 Sea Zone
        1 artillery placed in United Kingdom
        1 tactical_bomber placed in United Kingdom
        1 artillery placed in Union of South Africa
        2 infantry and 1 marine placed in Egypt

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 100 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4
        British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs
        Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 37 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Eastern India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.00
Japanese regular : 0.00
Neutral_Axis regular : 1.00
British regular : 0.33

Savegame

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

As Russia and Japan are not at war, US and other Ally units cannot occupy the eastern half of Russia. You need to reconsider the US NCM in the Pacific.

As this does not affect the Italian move, I will go ahead with I-3 and you can edit the US-3 NCM on your ANZAC/FR-3 turn.

[ArtofWar1947]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 airfield; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Greece
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 4 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Greece, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Greece
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Greece, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Greece, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Greece
            Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Gibraltar
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
        2 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria

    Place Units - Italians
        1 airfield placed in Gibraltar

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 12 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -1.50
Neutral_Allies regular : -0.67

Savegame

[max334]

I don’t really fully understand the rule but in this case why don’t we retroactively activate a declaration of war between Russia and Japan as that was the apparent intent of the US was to put boots on the ground

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

In the Pacific/Europe 1940 manual, see Global Rules/Soviet Union/second paragraph of Political Situation on p. 36.

A retroactive declaration of war by Russia disadvantages Japan, because it did not have a chance to respond on J-3 to this threat.

I (incorrectly) assumed the US was attempting to stage an attack on Japan.

If Russia agrees either not to invade Japanese territories or R-4 or a J-2 NCM adjustment, I can live with the retroactive declaration of war.

[max334]

@artofwar1947 Absolutaly, I see the disadvantage. You saw that I didnt DOW, so you based your buy and moves on that fact. Pls let me know what moves you would have made had Russia done a DOW. And yes I am aware that the US also posed a threat to mainland Japan. My apologies; my ignorance of the rules should not adversaly impact you.

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

Two infantry in S. Manchuria move to Korea.

[max334]

@artofwar1947 does a DOW prevent the Mongolian activation or is it stepping into ajacent territory by the Russians?

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

From p. 39: "If the Soviet Union attacks Korea or any Japan-control territory bordering … Mongolian territories while Mongolia is still neutral, Mongolia will remain neutral … (i.e., prevents the Mongolian activation if Japan attacks a Russian territory bordering Mongolia).

[max334]

also, do you know what happens with Mongolia if the US takes Korea and Russian troops step in to help hold it? The rules, that you quoted, seem to state if Russia attacks

[max334]

TripleA Move Summary: ANZAC round 3

TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Australia to 63 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from New Guinea to 55 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
              ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java

Savegame

[max334]

scramble option

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

Scramble 2 fighters to defend Java.

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

I believe that, even if the US first takes Korea, Russian troops in Korea would void the pact with Mongolia. You might want to check with Adam or another rules expert though.

[max334]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Australia to 63 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from New Guinea to 55 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from New Guinea to Dutch New Guinea
              ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 55 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java

    Combat - ANZAC
        Japanese scrambles 2 units out of 43 Sea Zone to defend against the attack in Java
        Battle in Java
            ANZAC attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 2 fighters
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 fighters in Java, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Java, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters in Java, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                2 fighters owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC and 1 artillery owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            ANZAC win, taking Java from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 2 fighters

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 submarine moved from 64 Sea Zone to 58 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 55 Sea Zone to 56 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to South Australia
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 fighter moved from Eastern India to Yunnan

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 transport placed in 64 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3,2,6,2,6,1,4
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Combat - French

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0.00
ANZAC regular : 0.67

Savegame

[max334]

If not too late, can i put a 2nd UK ftr on carrier in z112

[ArtofWar1947]

@max334

Sure.

[max334]

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[ArtofWar1947]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 4

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
              Germans take Vyborg from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
              Germans take Leningrad from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Southern Belarus
              Germans take Southern Belarus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Northern Belarus
              Germans take Northern Belarus from Russians
        1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
              Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
        1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
        1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Gibraltar to 107 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from France to 107 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 107 Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[ArtofWar1947]

@artofwar1947

I added the UK fighter to the CV in 112 and 2 Japanese infantry to Korea.

Scramble UK fighter from CV in 112 to defend US feet in 107?

OOL for sea battle in 107?