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Well, Imperious Leader, you wanted more. Here they are.
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navel fighters?

probably dust in your belly button itching you.
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……maybe i should just quit life…
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Actually, it refers to the type of bathing suit worn by the girls painted on the plane.
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Lets Talk Transport Planes

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:-P dude, i did it twice :-P

Actually, Upside-down_Turtle comes from my early Star Craft days. Basically, in a 3v2 game, I’d be the odd man out as Terran and essentially be a non factor. I’d maybe get off an expand or two, but eventually “turtle up” and suck all my minerals dry. Then I basically pray my buddies won the huge battle I had no part in. Otherwise, I was easy pickings.

Best run I had was as the zerg. Captured, like, ten minneral fields in the middle of the map. Problem was, no one could attack anyone else unless they went through me. It was like a giant Hydralisk meat grinder. :-P They kicked me out eventually, but it was a good run. 8-)

Oh yeah, and I almost killed someone with a Zelot rush :-D

That settles it, I’m Googling Star Craft II videos…
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@Upside-down_Turtle:

@Imperious:

no its too many pieces and ideas to keep track of.

agreed

and yet, if I saw you in a desert….
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@Bardoly:

@Upside-down_Turtle:

You know, a 1-1-2-3 jeep actually makes a good justification for truck pieces being Motorized Infantry at 1-2-2-4, does it not?

Although, were there really whole units made up of jeeps? In North Africa, maybe. Perhaps Trucks ought to 1-1-2-3 as well.

Well, it seems that every army needs its fodder units, so I would rather have 1 armor unit 3-3-2-5 and 1 jeep unit 1-1-2-3 for a total IPC cost of 8 than have 2 motorized infantry at 2-2-2-4 at the same IPC cost of 8, because when you lose the first hit, then you still have a 3 attacking/defending. Now, if you give the motorized infantry the ability to be upgraded by artillery units, then it may be more balanced, but getting the artillery to keep up with them is a different matter.

I agree. If I had 30 IPCs to spend, I’d buy 5 jeeps and 3 tanks.
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Let's talk Convoys

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I think there is a need for convoy zones in AA global games. They kinda introduced it in AA50. There are several ways to do it.
Have all powers include sz in their NO’s like w/Italy in AA50. Separate sz from the NO’s and create new NO’s for the sea. That way you would have land NO’s & sea NO’s.
**NO’s have been introduced into the game, and would keep things sorta simple. I’m not sure I like that though because it would be an all or nothing deal. Have certain sz worth 1 ipc or so (as Bardoly said) and basically let each power fight over them. Sorry still not to crazy about Germany being in what would be considered a UK zone and getting paid for it. Assign sz to each power and if those zones are in enemy hands it cost you $ or damage markers at your capitol.(could be determined by dice but might cost to much with SBR & rockets) this makes sense because loss of ships would cost $. Assign 3-4 sz to each power as describe by myself and others. If you keep these zones clear of enemy war ships you collect a bonus per sz (1 ipc each) or have the chance of a larger bonus if all sz’s assigned to you are clear. You could in rare cases assign the same sz to 2 powers to add some spark (for Bardoly). In this case it is assumed each power gets more income but by not keeping your convoy zones clear you lose it, results from the ships being sunk.
**As I was typing this out I noticed it might be cool to combine #4 & #5. Say on Germany’s turn it takes control of 2 sz’s assigned to the UK. Uk places 2 damage markers on its capitol. On Uk’s turn it clears those zones so now it gets a bonus to help pay for damage. On second thought I think that would defeat the whole purpose, but in AA their is a counter balance for most things lol.
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Lets Talk Escort Carriers

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With the above post in mind, I propose the following for both Escort Carriers AND Naval Fighters. Also, with Naval fighters being slightly weaker than their land-based counterparts, I propose that the regular aircraft carrier’s IPC cost be slightly tweaked.

Regular Aircraft Carrier

1 Attack
2 Defense
2 Movement points
11 IPC cost (Cost is lowered to 10 IPCs with the Advanced Shipyard technology.)
– May hold up to 2 naval fighters.

Escort Carrier

1 Attack
1 Defense
2 Movement points
7 IPC cost (Cost is lowered to 6 IPCs with the Advanced Shipyard technology.)
- May only hold up to 1 naval fighter.

Naval Fighter

2 Attack (May be upgraded to 3 Attack with the Jet Fighter technology.)
3 Defense
3 Movement points (May be upgraded to 5 movement points with the Long Range technology.)
8 IPC cost (Cost is lowered to 7 IPCs with the Advanced Shipyard technology.)
– Only naval fighters may operate from carriers, but naval fighters MAY be used on land.

Regular Aircraft Carrier + 2 naval fighters

5 Combined attack value
8 Combined defense value
3 hits
27 IPC cost
– Up to 2 naval fighters may be on the regular cv.

Escort Carrier + 1 naval fighter

3 Combined attack value
4 Combined defense value
2 hits
15 IPC cost
– Up to 2 naval fighters may be on the regular cv.

These stats seem to fit a little better into the naval chart.
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Lets Talk Yamato Class Battleships

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the 5-5 comes from the Revised Most Powerful Battleships National Advantage for Japan.

The firing twice in the first round comes from a Revised Larry Harris Tournament Rule revision. The NA was titled Naval Night Fighting Skills, yet only applied to the battleships. Personally, I don’t think it was named well. I simply fuse the two.

Also, I think most house rules I’ve seen give SBBs 3 hits. I considered keeping it at 2 hits, but after I gave my supper carriers 2 hits, SBBs needed 3.
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Lets Talk Mobile Artillery

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What are we considering as SPA, becasue if you include tank destoyers i would say they should be good on the defensive, but if you are including rocket artillery they would be good on the offensive.

What if you didn’t have SPA, just a tank destoyer unita and a rocket artillery unit
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Lets Talk 2 Types of Infantry

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my problem with German or Russian shock troops as infantry is that those units had alot of tanks, so why not just represent them with tanks.

For special infantry they should be able to fall into one of the four catagories i already listed.

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