Robson (X) vs Kilroynothere (A) G40 YGTE - game2 revenge of the dice gods

[kilroynothere]

@robson I love it! I always make that move as well figuring with all of Germany’s air, defending is a bad idea… attack and hope to catch a valuable piece!

[kilroynothere]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Young Grasshoppers Tournament Edition, version: 1.0.4

Game History

Round: 2

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 125 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
              Germans take Southern France from French
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 bombers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/6 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        2 bombers moved from 125 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        3 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        2 armour and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 armour moved from Bulgaria to Eastern Poland
        4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
        2 aaGuns moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy
        2 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany
        5 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 114 Sea Zone
        1 factory_minor placed in Romania
        1 fighter placed in 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 6 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 0.50
Germans regular : 2.33

Savegame

[kilroynothere]

@robson Started to look at Japan and realized the US moved the Phi fleet off of Iwo. Don’t believe the US, when neutral, can move adjacent to any Japanese held territory. Feel free to edit that move during the UKP turn.

[Robson]

@kilroynothere To which location should I move the fleet? Adjacent to San Francisco?

[Robson]

@kilroynothere sorry just saw that you mean the Phillipine fleet. I would move it back to the original location.

[Robson]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Young Grasshoppers Tournament Edition, version: 1.0.4

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 2 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - UK_Pacific
        4 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        4 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
        1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
        4 fighters moved from Java to India
        3 armour moved from India to Shan State
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
        1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to 80 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq

    Combat - UK_Pacific
        Battle in Iraq
            UK_Pacific attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 3/8 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
            UK_Pacific win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - UK_Pacific
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 aaGun moved from West India to Eastern Persia
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to Yunnan
        1 aaGun moved from Burma to Shan State
        3 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in India
        2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 35 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 17 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

UK_Pacific regular : 0,50
Neutral_Axis regular : -1,00

Savegame

[Robson]

@kilroynothere Feel free to rearrange the location of your fleet if want to move it somewhere else.

[kilroynothere]

@robson thanks. A couple of things as the rules are so complicated on the Pacific side:

1. If you want the US Phi fleet to be somewhere else, you do have one move and can go to Autralia or toward India or can stay of course. Up to you. Just let me know and I will EDIT prior to the Japanese move.

2. Noticed the UKP moved a AA gun into China. That results in a DOW against Japan. The TripleA engine doesn’t recognize this because it is a non-combat rule, but the rule book is clear on not allowing UK troops into china without a DOW. Let me know if you want the DOW or if you want to move with the other aa gun. Happy to move it for you.

Sorry we have to go through all of this, but I find the Pacific side to be VERY complicated!

[Robson]

@kilroynothere oh you are absolutely right. I think the UK Pacific are not allowed to declare war before Japan does it or it is the forth turn.
So I have to move the AA back.

[Robson]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 2

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: Young Grasshoppers Tournament Edition, version: 1.0.4

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by UK_Pacific from Yunnan: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by UK_Pacific to Shan State: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[kilroynothere]

@robson actually UKP can declare war at anytime, its just the US that cannot early. Just figured you didn’t want to declare war with that move…

[Robson]

@kilroynothere Hey, I was just reading the rules from YG and have found this in the handbook (https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/36826/grasshopper-s-3g40-player-s-handbook/13) :

Political Situation: UK Pacific begins the game at war with Germany and Italy, both of which are on the other side of world. The UK Pacific may declare war on Japan at the beginning of the Combat Move phase of it’s turn three, resulting in a state of war between Japan and both the United Kingdom Europe and Pacific.

[kilroynothere]

@robson I have not read YG’s opening synopsis. Great way of putting it for each power! And yep, UKP can attack (Or move into China which results in a state of war) at anytime. There are advantages because it immediately gives UKP a 10ipc bump and the ability to build more units in India… I know when I played it I weighed that vs. US earlier involvement. Soooo many decisions early! Heck, I built a mnrIC for Germany… who does that? ;-)

[kilroynothere]

@robson so I was wrong. After re-reading, UKP can only attack on round 3 unless attacked before. I mis-read that. Sooooo complicated!

[kilroynothere]

@Robson also noticed that YG put in either 8 round OR a 10 round game, depending on the player’s desires. That changes things quite a bit for strategy I would think. Maybe next game we switch sides again and try for a 10 round and see how it goes. I’m real curious how YGs tournament goes with these rules and what the take-aways are from it.

[kilroynothere]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Young Grasshoppers Tournament Edition, version: 1.0.4

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by UK_Pacific from Yunnan: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Adding units owned by UK_Pacific to Shan State: 1 aaGun
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Japanese buy 1 armour, 1 destroyer, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
              Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
              Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
              Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese
        3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
        2 bombers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Yunnan
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in Yunnan, round 2 : 7/12 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 3 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
            Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 bombers, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        1 aaGun, 2 fighters, 4 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Jehol to Chahar
        1 armour moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
        1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
        1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Hunan
        2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
        1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 33 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 47 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kiangsi: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Manchuria: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 1.00
Japanese regular : 1.17

Savegame

[kilroynothere]

@Robson I had to make an edit for a non-combat as I forgot to use a tt to move two inf from Manchuria. And Japan did NOT declare war… first time I’ve ever waited until round 3. Totally different game again!

[Contango]

@Robson
@kilroynothere

Hey Fellas, just passing through and I noticed you were able to move a UK Pacific unit into China before UK Pacific and Japan were at war. This shouldn’t be allowed. It looks like there may be a bug in the game code.

I’ll make a note of it and hopefully fix it if I do an update in the future.

[kilroynothere]

@contango thanks for checking in and noticing that. Really appreciate all the programming work!

[Robson]

@kilroynothere yes sounds great!