L21 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Oysteilo (Allies +16), BM3

[Pejon_88]

@or actually no. I had one AC I killed in the battle.

[Pejon_88]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 factory_minor and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Politics - Japanese
        Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Americans: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

    Combat Move - Japanese
        Trigger Japanese Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from 54 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 41 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
              Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
              Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
        2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Hopei
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Hopei
        1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Philippines

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in Guam
        Battle in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports; ANZAC defend
                Japanese roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5,17 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 destroyer owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone
                Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 54 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5/9 hits, 4,83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 54 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2,83 expected hits
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese, 1 fighter owned by the Japanese, 2 cruisers owned by the Americans, 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans, 1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 battleship owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC, 3 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans and 2 transports owned by the Americans lost in 54 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Guam from Americans, taking 54 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 84
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Philippines
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Philippines, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
            Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Hopei
            Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hopei, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2,67 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
            Japanese win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        1 fighter could not land in 54 Sea Zone and was removed
        1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to 19 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to 19 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
        1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Japan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Shantung to Hunan
        2 bombers moved from Hopei to Kwangsi
        2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Yunnan
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Kweichow
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        2 fighters moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China

    Place Units - Japanese
        2 infantry placed in Shantung
        1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
        1 infantry placed in Japan
        1 carrier placed in 19 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0,33
Americans regular : -2,17
Japanese regular : 0,17

Savegame

[Pejon_88]

Some miscalculations in that battle there, but well. I should have not chosen planes in the attack on Philippines since I was going there with 10 units anyway. Would that too big of a change for your taste? I could then re-roll the Philly battle, everything else would be as is I guess.

[oysteilo]

i have no proplems with philippines. I am VERY unsure about your attack in sz 54 though. My understanding is that you can not attack a mixed sea sone (anzac and USA) with japan. You kill the anzac transport but I am not asked for anzac scramble. hmmmmm. you know?

[Pejon_88]

@oysteilo Oh yes sorry, that transport shall remain, apologies for forgetting that. Will add it back.

So what I did was only declare war on US, not ANZAC/UK. Up-side is that I could neglect your ANZAC figs in the attack, heavy downside is that I could not attack anything pertaining to them, such as gold islands, boats etc.

Ok, much obliged. Will then roll Philly battle here once we are in consent of the attack.

[oysteilo]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Oysteilo (Allies +16), BM3:

@oysteilo Oh yes sorry, that transport shall remain, apologies for forgetting that. Will add it back.

So what I did was only declare war on US, not ANZAC/UK. Up-side is that I could neglect your ANZAC figs in the attack, heavy downside is that I could not attack anything pertaining to them, such as gold islands, boats etc.

Ok, much obliged. Will then roll Philly battle here once we are in consent of the attack.

I am not sure I understand the philiphines question? I will ask for a second opinion regarding the wether the sz 54 attack is leagel or not

[Pejon_88]

It is a sneaky thing Japan can do, has happened to me before, which may prove useful in certain situations. Will let you look it up before continuing. If you want, we can also ask another player?

[Pejon_88]

Yes let’s do that. Will you?

About Philly, I asked if I could modify the attack and not use the two planes, but instead only 10 land units, which went there in the NCM. Need that extra AC for landing spots.

[oysteilo]

@oysteilo said in L21 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Oysteilo (Allies +16), BM3:

i have no proplems with philippines. I am VERY unsure about your attack in sz 54 though. My understanding is that you can not attack a mixed sea sone (anzac and USA) with japan. You kill the anzac transport but I am not asked for anzac scramble. hmmmmm. you know?

@Panther @Adam514 @gamerman01

[Adam514]

@oysteilo Japan has the option of only declaring war on the US, and in that case UK/Anzac are neutral powers, and don’t affect any of the Japanese moves and combat. So they’ll watch the battle in sz54 without doing anything and with no option to scramble. Of course, any UK/Anzac ships in the seazone will survive the battle, including the transport.

[oysteilo]

I will most likely surrender the game then as i didnt know this

[oysteilo]

@oysteilo said in L21 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Oysteilo (Allies +16), BM3:

I will most likely surrender the game then as i didnt know this

I thought it waa the same rule as Germany entering italy controlled ussr
Bummer

[oysteilo]

The same goes if i have a warship there?

[Pejon_88]

@oysteilo Yes, for as long as the rules of Neutrality can be maintained it will always be possible to only attack either UK/ANZAC or US. But as you know once one side is attacked the other can join the war on their next turn. First rounds in the pacific can be tricky.

Tell me when you have decided. I wouldn’t mind another game if it comes to that.

[oysteilo]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Americans round 3

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - Americans
        Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
        Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians
            Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
        Trigger Russians Allied Americans 6: Changing Relationship for Russians and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States
        Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States

    Combat Move - Americans
        Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans
        1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        3 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 3 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
        1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
        1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
              Americans take 6 Sea Zone from Japanese
        1 destroyer moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 54 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Western United States to 54 Sea Zone

    Combat - Americans

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[oysteilo]

scramble? kami tokens

[Pejon_88]

@oysteilo Could I adjust the Philly battle? Relevant to answer before I reply.

[oysteilo]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Oysteilo (Allies +16), BM3:

@oysteilo Could I adjust the Philly battle? Relevant to answer before I reply.

you may adjust

[oysteilo]

so? just adjust during italy

[Pejon_88]

@oysteilo i could, but my placement of ships would be somewhat different. Your call.