Oh you’re right. Delete the mech in Egypt.
L21 #2 trulpen (X+4) vs Pejon_88 (A) P2V
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With a strict application of the rules, your opponent must accept for an edit to be legal, even to reverse a previous edit, so he can always refuse the reverse edit.
Beware of trusting the engine to show legal combat moves. Even in the original game there were instances of wrong engine evaluation. In PTV the engine doesn’t even consider it illegal to have to land on newly built carriers for an attack to be legal.
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@adam514 Thank you for your input.
Just to clarify that even in this scenario where I have shown that when the edit is done on the current nation’s turn, the engine gives out different/faulty information compared to if the edit is done a previous nation’s turn?
The blue arrow in the screenshot shows the yellow triangle indicating that not all selected planes from Leningrad can participate in the attack due to lack of landing spots. Note that I have built a carrier, but still the attack is (correctly) indicated as illegal :)
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@pejon_88 That’s interesting.
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@gamerman01 would this affect anything?
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@pejon_88 It doesn’t change my conclusion.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 6
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0
Game History
Round: 6 Combat Move - British 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 115 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Leningrad to 115 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya UK_Pacific take Malaya from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 10 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to French Central Africa 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk British take Tobruk from Italians 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Greece 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 83 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Cyprus 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 83 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Crete 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea ZoneCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@trulpen I removed one fighter from the battle. Scramble?
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@pejon_88 said in L21 #2 trulpen (X+4) vs Pejon_88 (A) P2V:
@trulpen I removed one fighter from the battle. Scramble?
What I remember I don’t really have any choice either way. Full scramble, please.
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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: British round 6
TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 6.1.0
Game History
Round: 6 Combat Move - British 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to 115 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Leningrad to 115 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya UK_Pacific take Malaya from Japanese 1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan 10 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to French Central Africa 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk British take Tobruk from Italians 2 infantry moved from Egypt to 83 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Greece 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 83 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Cyprus 1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to 83 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 83 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 101 Sea Zone to Crete 1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 83 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 2 transports moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone Combat - British Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 115 Sea Zone Battle in Greece Battle in Crete Battle in 115 Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters, 3 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports Germans defend with 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 6 fighters, 4 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers British roll dice for 3 submarines in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers, 8 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports in 115 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/15 hits, 7,33 expected hitsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
British regular : -2,33 -
6 hits. Casualties?
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@pejon_88 said in L21 #2 trulpen (X+4) vs Pejon_88 (A) P2V:
6 hits. Casualties?
Max d blir bra.
Skada 3 ac och sänk 3 sub.
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@trulpen Så. Concede.
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@pejon_88 utterly shameful gamesmanship and hypocrisy on trulpens part.
If it hadnt been for one battle in china (that obviously had no impact on these events) then pejon would have been able to do whatever within the bounds of the rules. .
Only the strictest no edit policy (which by necessity the rules must advocate) would support the way things played out. This interpretation of the rules would essentially qualify trulpens edit policy as the strictest I have ever seen on this forum - hence the hypocrisy, since in any other situation or if the situation was reversed trulpen would ask for and complain for the same thing.
Particularly considering how related the ‘bug’ directly relates to the situation.
Basically, trulpen is advertising that he expects others to play with a loose edit policy but they should know that given the opportunity for trulpen to exploit the rules to give himself a game advantage he wont play with the same rule policy.
Absolutely ridiculous and shameful but within the league rules.
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Did I ask to redo Germany? No.
Did UK still have positive odds in the big battle? Yes.
The battle in China didn’t block anything, but rather the fact that the scramble request was issued.
Whatever.
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That you would equate a europe US NCM with redoing the german turn speaks volumes.
Again, there are almost no people on the site that would object to US NCM prior to UK turn (including yourself except in this situation).
The scramble question has nothing to do with anything and simply a lame excuse. The rules allow Pejon to completely rework his UK turn in the case of an illegal move - regardless of the scramble question.
The reason pejon was denied by gamer and company was simply because he made a US NCM edit and by rule all edits have to be approved (including changing his mind about the edit).
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just read through what I could., as a neutral third-party observer.
I see a lot of edits to US units in the Atlantic prior to or during the UK turn, as long as UK combat hasn’t taken place in a way where the outcome of combat might influence decisions. I do it, and I allow it.
For what it’s worth, if I were in that situation, I would allow a redo of the combat move and/or the edit of the US fighter.
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@ksmckay You are free to have your opinion. I won’t bother to discuss this or anything else with you.
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@trulpen sounds good, never had anything to discuss with you.
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@ksmckay Then why do you try so hard? Don’t really like a lot of your harsh, assumpting attidtude.
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@ksmckay is this true?
Because in that case I choose to re-do my UK turn and post without the US fig edit (which was done on the UK turn).
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