Hello folks,
How does one join the A&A 1942 online Discord? Would someone please share an invite?
Thank you in advance and best.
No More Lane Rolling
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@JuliusBorisovBeamdog said in No More Lane Rolling:
I hear that, but that’s a digital adaptation of the game, and playing a digital version means certain things should go differently if compared to the RL experience, especially when we consider the wide variety of players who play A&A 1942 Online.
Honestly, there’s no usability issue with going from lane rolling to total hits. TripleA works this way and it’s just fine. It was a choice that Beamdog made and now we’re asking for that to be changed. Yes, Online requires some compromises (like Defense Profiles) but I cannot think of a technical reason nor usability reason to have lane rolling. If I’m missing something, let me know.
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@JuliusBorisovBeamdog said in No More Lane Rolling:
I hear that, but that’s a digital adaptation of the game, and playing a digital version means certain things should go differently if compared to the RL experience, especially when we consider the wide variety of players who play A&A 1942 Online.
Why that? Didn’t the project originally aim for being as rules compliant as possible?
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I actually think lane rolling exacerbates the effect of really good or really bad rolls. When you get zero hits with 10 infantry, it feels like crap and you hover over that “roll” button ranting not know 6 tanks are about to get 5 hits. But when you roll 5 hits with 10 infantry and 6 tanks; you skip past that feeling directly to “that roll was good enough.” Just my 2 cents on that one.
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Also, one reason for lane rolling are the confusing (to the average or new A&A player, yes it is confusing) rules around subs in battles. The lane rolling makes it obvious what is happening. However, I still think you just skip assigning hits and do it at the end.
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How about that? It’s now in the preview build. ;) https://steamcommunity.com/games/898920/announcements/detail/5761771209960330408
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@djensen I don’t follow why you perceive that there’s lane rolling. The online implementation is equivalent to rolling all dice at once since the defender’s defense profile is set as soon as the defender clicks to complete their turn. A click pause between each level of rolling is simply a game flourish to build suspense.
Ah, I can see what you mean with how the attacker gets to choose the losses at each loss stage. It’s not the same as Triplea or the board game, but I honestly haven’t noticed a difference in my games. 99.9% of the time the order of loss is aa -> inf -> bomber -> art -> tank -> fig. Navy is sub -> dest -> car -> cru -> fig. There are some caveats, but I perceive the difference between selecting losses by lane vs knowing the entire round hits to be a minor effect. It has the effect of slightly disadvantaging the attacker since the attacker must make decisions prior to knowing the full hit information. On the balancing side, the defender has to select a defensive profile prior to the subsequent round of battles.
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It isn’t about perception. There’s a real mathematical difference.
Also it isn’t “balanced”.
You get a pizza and it’s a slice short. You say “oh no”, the delivery person says “don’t worry!” and eats the rest of the pizza. Now you have a perfectly balanced empty box.
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@aardvarkpepper Agreed, there’s a real mathematical difference. Beamdog made a game design choice that asynchronous play is an essential product feature of the online version. Defense profiles and lane rolling are aspects that are motivated from this product decision.
Whoops, I just realized that I replied to a thread that’s 2 years old. sorry about that!
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Lane rolling isn’t necessary to asynchronous play.
DoManMacgee isn’t really trying to say 1942 Online should play like Classic. He knows 1942 Online isn’t even based on Classic, it’s based on 1942 Second Edition. I expect he simply expects others to understand.
J1 Pearl Light. 1 sub, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters, 1 bomber vs 1 sub, 1 destroyer, 1 carrier, 1 fighter.
US submarine submerges, Japan gets 1 hit taken on US destroyer, US gets 1 hit taken on Japanese cruiser.
Next round of fire Japan gets 2 hits (all remaining defenders destroyed). US rolls a hit on carrier defense roll (say Japan didn’t get a submarine hit).
Under 1942 Second Edition, US rolls fighter. The attacker then knows the total casualties inflicted by the defender for the combat.
Under 1942 Online, US does not roll fighter. The casualty must immediately be assigned.
If Japan takes the US carrier hit on submarine, 2/3 chance US fighter rolls a hit taken on Japanese fighter from Japan. Japan then does not need to commit its carrier to where US can easily destroy it. But then there’s also a 1/3 chance the US fighter misses. Then Japanese carrier must commit, and Japanese carrier and fighter both die to US counter.
If Japan takes the US carrier hit on fighter, 2/3 chance US fighter rolls a hit. The US fighter cannot hit the Japanese submarine as there is no longer a defending US destroyer (remember it’s been removed on a previous round). A second valuable Japanese air unit must be destroyed. 1/3 chance the US fighter misses.
You see the difference. It isn’t just limited to Hawaiian Islands. Counting the opponent, I expect 1942 Online’s changed implementation just with regards to “lane rolling” to be a problem at least once a game, if not more.
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Yup, apparently not; think you were right on this point.
I read through Julius’s post and see that they are fixing lane rolling. Drag and drop units should also be nice!
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