Has anyone won as allies yet in PTV? Interested to see if the small differences add up or whether a bid is still needed?
Not to my knowledge @wizmark, although I think the allies are winning in a few of the current games
I’ve seen mech-tank combos being used effectively with Russia now.
At what point have people bought them, how many, and what type of success did you see? Trying to figure out a standard first couple of moves Russia. Is infantry still more effective?
@WindowWasher speaking just for myself, I’ll generally buy them as Russia only when i want to put an immediate threat on something (for example, to deadzone Ukraine from Stalingrad) or if I anticipate a need for defense in a particular territory two spaces from a factory (for example example, if I’ve calculated that in two turns, I’ll need fast from Russia to hold Kursk against what Germany can threaten with by that time).
And there are pf course other special situations where fast might be advisable (e.g., a successful Sealion, leaving the Eastern Front vulnerable, or a heavy push against Manchuria/Korea).
from my current game, 100% KJF works to subdue japan (I think, haven’t accomplished it yet for sure, but im close), but I dont see how anything less than 85% US focus can keep japan from exploding.
Anybody have any experience with a KGF in P2V? Or a more balanced aproach?
@WindowWasher 85% just keeps Japan in check in BM3 as well.
One thing I have noticed as allies in P2V is that it is now normally possible to stack up Yunnan C2, DOW UK2 and hold Yunnan J3 and likely go on to secure the Burma Rd. Perhaps this is sub optimal Japan play although it has been happening in quite a few games. Allies should go on to win from this move unless it can be dislodged. None of these games have finished though.
@simon33 said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:
One thing I have noticed as allies in P2V is that it is now normally possible to stack up Yunnan C2, DOW UK2 and hold Yunnan J3 and likely go on to secure the Burma Rd. Perhaps this is sub optimal Japan play although it has been happening in quite a few games. Allies should go on to win from this move unless it can be dislodged. None of these games have finished though.
Thank you, @simon33, for this revelation. This is what I tried to point out a while back before I quit playing P2V.
The division of z38 (by Malaya) makes the task for J very difficult, if not impossible. Sure, they have the initial fire-power, but even in OOB/BM3 the biggest limitation is their logistics. They have to choose to either let go of the ocean or the land.
For J that like choosing between Scylla and Karybdis, with z38/132 (or whatever) being the giant whirlpool.
The incision was great for the Allies, but poor for game-play.
In a couple of Adam514’s games, he’s done an Anzac crush to overcome this limitation (vs regularkid and myself). 666 is doing one to me also. That does help Japan but losing China is really bad.
I’m confused why players don’t take FIC J1. Only costs 8IPC/turn for a max of 3 turns. Losing China costs Japan more than that.
Seems that if Japan can’t take either Sydney, India (unlikely) or Hawaii reasonably early, the Axis are in a lot of trouble.
Looking at PTV and one of the biggest operational /tactical effects results from many Pacific isles now being on the border between two sea zones, rather than totally within a single sea zone. This means that a player can reinforce an isle before its attacked or try to retake an isle that was just captured, without destroying an enemy fleet on the other side of the isle in a different sea zone. Or conversely, an attacker can invade an isle without controlling the entire sea around the isle. Would appreciate a discussion on how this has affected play.
Would like an update on early discussion on which side wins the most. Last post months ago said Allies never won, but appeared to be winning in some games in progress.
How is the computer AI in letting me playtest PTV solo before taking on a live opponent?
@fmerwinrommel AI won’t be a good match for a human who knows how to play, but also they won’t respect player-enforced rules (minor issue for playtesting though).
I’m new to P2V but like what I’ve seen so far and think this will be my favorite version of global.
I think the combination of the added NOs in the Pacific along with the Jap CA & marine at the Carolines brings back the possibility of the Pearl Harbor attack being viable. I did this in a play test vs myself with the following moves:
3 fig, 3 tac, 1 SS, 1 DD to Pearl
CA + marine to SZ 33/Gilbert Islands
TT from SZ 7 to SZ 32/Wake Island
2 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 SS, 2 TT to SZ 36, take both Philippines territories
NC all 3 CVs to SZ 32 to land planes, replace any lost with those from Japan (should be 1)
1 DD to SZ 27 to block
1 CA left in SZ7 to pick up Marine built J1 which will take Guam on J2. CA/Marine that took Gilbert on J1 will take Wake on J2. That gives you both Pacific Island NOs.
Japan made 48 IPCs J1, 62 J2. The fleet that went to the Philippines J1 can take Borneo/Celebes J2, and Java/Sumatra J3 and kill the tiny UK or AZ fleets that may get in the way. By doing the PH attack you’ve taken out 2 of the 4 US ships which can carry troops and delayed their advance in the pacific by a turn. Also pretty much forces US to spend in the Pacific which helps Germany.
The re-drawn map has it’s advantages and disadvantages. The attacks I’ve laid out allow for single ships to take islands without fear of counterattack due to the extra SZs and the islands bordering multiple SZs. Since a Calcutta Crush is impossible with the extra SZ off Malaya, I think a more methodical strategy by Japan is optimal. Use your initial advantage to kill as many Allied ships as possible, thereby saving money which may otherwise be spent on ships to get more land units into China and heading south on TTs.
Mikawa released his ships to operate independently of his flagship, and at 01:31 he ordered "Every ship attack."
@mikawagunichi thanks for the thoughtful post. Can you post a saved game showing your strategy in action?
@mikawagunichi said in WW2 Path to Victory - Strategies:
I think the combination of the added NOs in the Pacific along with the Jap CA & marine at the Carolines brings back the possibility of the Pearl Harbor attack being viable.
This would be truly awesome if it’s solid.
@regularkid Play_Testing_P2v.tsvg
File attached. A few notes:
-I only played it through mid round 3
-Set on low luck
-I edited out the Japan attack on Hawaii J3 cause it was dumb and no allied player would allow that to happen
@mikawagunichi not bad!
All in all, it seems like it could be a viable opening. I’d be interested to see how it plays out against a human.
I’d be a little worried about a UK air strike on FIC on round 1 to make Yunnan untakeable on round 2. Putting a Japanese carrier in sz 37 might help to deter this, since a fighter would be able scramble to defend the FIC infantry. But then thats less to hit Pearl Harbor.
Also, on round 3, I noticed you left several inland Chinese territories un-garrisoned, which would result in Partisan spawning on China’s turn. Was this on purpose?
Adam and I recently published a video on a Pearl Harbor gambit for Japan, in PTV (on the Nerd_Herd patreon). The gambit looks a little different, but the general idea is similar: focus on the central Pacific as a possible alternative to India crush. Good stuff.
@regularkid Thanks. TBH, I’ve been playing OOB exclusively lately and totally forgot about the Chinese guerilla rule. Certainly some adjustments are in order, but glad to hear you think it’s at least viable.
I have a few comments.
I disagree with using the 3rd TT to take Wake. It should attack Borneo. The marine/Cruiser at the Carolines can take Wake, the Carolines objective isn’t worth as much as Borneo, I would say. Manilla can be attacked with an inf/art/ftr rather than 2inf+ftr, perhaps assisted by a bombard. I would be very tempted to scramble from Davao to Manilla with your attack.
I agree with skipping the attack on the UK BB.
Taking both bombers to the Philippines seems a steep price to pay. Perhaps 1 to Hawaii and 1 to Yunnan, with the Carolines pair of planes to Manilla.
I think taking Yunnan J1 is worth losing a plane - you didn’t do that. That attack was too skinny for my liking.
These changes should make the move stronger IMO. So probably a viable opening. What is it that makes it viable when it wasn’t really in BM? I think the Cruiser+Marine at the Carolines. That means you don’t need to bypass attacking Borneo to attack Pearl. The downside appears to be that your fleet at Wake Is may be vulnerable to a strong US counter strike but if you attack from SZ24 at least you can retreat to SZ35 or SZ7 next round.
So here are my suggested attacks
Yunnan: 1bomb 1ftr 1tac 3inf 1art - 100%
Borneo: 1inf 1art - 92%
Hawaii SZ(27): 1sub 1DD 1bomb 2ftr 2tac - 100% with no scramble, 94% with scramble
Manilla: 1inf 1art 1ftr - 73% with scramble
Davao: 1inf 1art 1ftr 1tac - 98% with no scramble
SZ36 (Philippines) minimum of BB, DD, sub 72%+8% draw.
Option 2:
Other SZ36: BB, DD, sub, Cruiser - 96%+2% draw
Other Borneo: 1inf 1arm 1tac - 100%
Other Yunnan: 1bomb 1ftr 4inf 1art - 98%
Although Option 2 does mean you can’t take Kweichow or Hunan
I think Option 2 is definitely preferable.
