L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16)

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 carrier, 7 mech_infantrys and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
            Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Turkey to Caucasus
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
              Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
              Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Novgorod
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 114 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to 114 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Spain to Portugal
        1 mech_infantry moved from Gibraltar to Portugal
        2 bombers moved from Greece to Portugal
        1 armour moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
              Germans take Persia from British
        1 armour moved from Persia to Northwest Persia

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 125 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in Novgorod
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Portugal
            Germans attack with 2 bombers, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_True defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Portugal, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 2 infantry in Portugal, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Portugal
            Germans win, taking Portugal from Neutral_True with 2 bombers, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 2 infantry
        Battle in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 cruiser in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the Russians lost in 114 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 bombers moved from Portugal to Spain
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Spain
        1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
        1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
        1 aaGun moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Sweden to Finland
        3 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
        2 aaGuns, 11 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Turkey to Southern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Turkey to Southern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Turkey to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Turkey to Greece
        1 armour moved from France to Yugoslavia
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Spain to Southern France
        1 infantry moved from Turkey to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from Turkey to Syria
        1 infantry moved from Turkey to Northwest Persia

    Place Units - Germans
        4 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Normandy Bordeaux
        1 carrier and 2 transports placed in 99 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 62 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 66 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 71 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.50
Germans regular : 2.33
Neutral_True regular : -0.67

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

Lucky turn for me.

All went pretty well.

Russia on the move.

Cheers

[Amon-Sul]

@Pejon_88

A very very interesting game we have here I must say.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul I think the Axis have been very successful so far. Great playing!

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul I think the Axis have been very successful so far. Great playing!

It is far from over. The game is very open. We ll see what comes next.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul I think that rule that you can load transports the turn after you have been declared war makes sense, but it is also really hard to remember… Have had the same problem versus Japan once.

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul Yup :)

[Pejon_88]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 4

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Russians
        Trigger Russians Friendly TrueNeutral: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
        Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
            Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Russians
        2 infantry moved from Belarus to Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Caucasus
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
        8 infantry moved from Manchuria to Korea

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Novgorod
            Russians attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Novgorod, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery in Novgorod, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
            Russians win, taking Novgorod from Germans with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
        Battle in Caucasus
            Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
            Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Eastern Poland
            Russians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
            Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Germans with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Battle in Korea
            Russians attack with 8 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 8 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Korea, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Korea
            Russians win, taking Korea from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        2 aaGuns moved from Manchuria to Korea
        1 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Manchuria
        2 infantry moved from Ulaanbaatar to Buryatia
        2 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Central Mongolia
              Russians take Central Mongolia from Mongolians
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Hopei
        4 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
        3 infantry moved from Olgiy to Kansu
        1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Tsagaan Olom
              Russians take Tsagaan Olom from Mongolians
        1 infantry moved from Dzavhan to Tsagaan Olom
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Samara to Volgograd
        5 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Rostov
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 16 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk

    Place Units - Russians
        1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        1 fighter, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6,1,2,6
        Russians collect 35 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 35 PUs
        Trigger Russians 7 Great Patriotic War: Russians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 40 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0,67
Germans regular : 0,33
Russians regular : 1,67

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul I think that rule that you can load transports the turn after you have been declared war makes sense, but it is also really hard to remember… Have had the same problem versus Japan once.

I think it has to be in the same turn. And I think it only works for Germany / Russia, not in the Pacific?

Or am I mistaken?

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul What happened to me is that I declared war with UK and put a des in the same SZ as Japanese trans. Next turn he could pick up land units with that trans.

[Amon-Sul]

@pejon_88 said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@amon-sul What happened to me is that I declared war with UK and put a des in the same SZ as Japanese trans. Next turn he could pick up land units with that trans.

yeah, he could, but not in the same sz, right?

[Pejon_88]

@amon-sul Same SZ :D

From the Declaring War section:

…During your Combat Move phase in which you entered into a state of war, your transports that are already in sea zones that have just become hostile may be loaded in those sea zones (but not in other hostile sea zones). In effect, transports may be loaded in their initial sea zones for amphibious assaults before war is declared, while the sea zone is still friendly.

[Pejon_88]

@pejon_88 I guess it only would work as in our case, that Germany declares war.

[ksmckay]

@pejon_88 @Amon-Sul

the trick in the pacific is to put a UK dd in same sea zone as japanese transports, and then DOW with Anzac. You need two powers to make it work as if you tried to do it with UK alone, you would be at war with Japan when you tried to move a dd to the japanese sz. Rarely works out though since the cost for anzac declaring war on Japan is so high. But sometimes it works out if Japanese player forgets to preload transports on J2.

Dont really think there is a similar trick in europe. Italy and Germany declare war on Russia independently and a state of war between one doesnt affect the other.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay What happened here is that Germans declared war on Soviets in G4 and could load the transport even though it was now in a hostile SZ. I works according to the above rule I believe.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay What happened to me was that Japan declared war and could load the transports during that turn in that same SZ, same as in the game with Germans.

[ksmckay]

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

[Pejon_88]

@ksmckay Oh cool!

[Amon-Sul]

@ksmckay said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

bu

[Amon-Sul]

@ksmckay said in L21 Amon-Sul (Axis) vs Pejon_88 (Allies + 16):

@pejon_88

Yep, those are both right, I thought you were talking about how to get around that rule. And the anzac trick is the only way to get around that.

Wasnt always the case with global and before the rule was changed it was really gamey.

but what if theoretically uk is in the similar position. lets say, uk has a tranny in a sz where japan has a navy. can uk while declaring war, use its tranny to load troops in that same sz (or in some other)

and if it can, can it use it only for cm, or even for ncm?