PTV first game Surfer (X) vs. Jack (L+12)

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Scramble orders?

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Ping? Perhaps this wasn’t a good idea…


  • SZ 114 = no scramble
    SZ 113 = 3 fighter scramble


  • Sorry for the delay – probably should have warned you…there’s gonna be some periods where I’ll be super slow. I’ll try not to be 3 weeks like this for most moves.

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Ok. Will do. Not worried about slow play. Just glad your still interested. FYI. I have been in touch with Anand recently and he is interested in playing as well.

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Small problem. I forgot to move my land forces in Holland Belgium to attack France. I want to do that. I don’t think it will affect your scramble moves.

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

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  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 1

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
            Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            3 armour moved from Austria to France
            3 armour, 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
    
        Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 113 Sea Zone
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry in France, round 2 : 9/17 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 5/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the French, 5 infantry owned by the Germans, 6 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in France, round 3 : 4/12 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in France, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour and 3 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
                Casualties for Germans: 8 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 3/8 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia
                Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 109 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 114 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    1 destroyer owned by the British, 2 submarines owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 114 Sea Zone
                1 bomber owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans retreated
                1 battleship owned by the Germans retreated to 115 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 4.50 expected hits
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : 2.00
    Neutral_Allies regular : -0.67
    Germans regular : 2.17
    British regular : 0.83
    

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  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    OOL? 5 hits to fleet. My subs hit once already (damaged your BB).
    You have 1 damaged BB, 2 cruisers, 1 DD, 3 ftrs. The question is really to do you want the BB to die this round or kill a fighter?


  • @surfer
    Thanks; kill all boats first before any fighters please

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
            Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Broken Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Yugoslavia
            3 armour moved from Austria to France
            3 armour, 2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Norway to 114 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 116 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 120 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 121 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 111 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Germany to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            1 armour moved from Poland to Yugoslavia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
    
        Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 3 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 113 Sea Zone
            Battle in France
                Germans attack with 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry
                British defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery; French defend with 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 8 infantry in France, round 2 : 9/17 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in France, round 2 : 5/11 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the French, 5 infantry owned by the Germans, 6 infantry owned by the French, 1 artillery owned by the British and 1 artillery owned by the French lost in France
                    Germans roll dice for 6 armour, 3 artilleries and 3 infantry in France, round 3 : 4/12 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in France, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 armour owned by the French, 1 fighter owned by the French and 1 armour owned by the British lost in France
                Germans captures 19PUs while taking French capital
                Germans converts factory_major into different units
                Germans win, taking France from French with 6 armour and 3 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 29
                Casualties for Germans: 8 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 armour and 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 6 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 3/8 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 3 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Yugoslavia
                Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 109 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 109 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans win, taking 109 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 114 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 114 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                    1 destroyer owned by the British, 2 submarines owned by the Germans and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 114 Sea Zone
                1 bomber owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans retreated
                1 battleship owned by the Germans retreated to 115 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 2 submarines and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters; French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                    Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 3 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the French, 2 submarines owned by the Germans, 1 cruiser owned by the British, 1 fighter owned by the Germans, 3 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans, 1 fighter owned by the French and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in 113 Sea Zone
                1 bomber owned by the Germans, 2 fighters owned by the Germans and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans retreated
                British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter, 2 submarines and 3 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
            Moving scrambled unit from 113 Sea Zone back to originating territory: United Kingdom
            Moving scrambled unit from 113 Sea Zone back to originating territory: United Kingdom
            Trigger Germans Conquer France: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_French_1_Liberation_Switch attached to French
            triggerFrenchDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to French
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 113 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 cruiser moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Denmark to 115 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                  Germans take Finland from Neutral_Axis
            2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
                  Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
            1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy
            2 aaGuns, 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            4 infantry moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            1 aaGun moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France
    
        Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier placed in 115 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Germany
            Germans undo move 2.
            1 artillery placed in Western Germany
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Germany
            Germans undo move 3.
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : 2.00
    Neutral_Allies regular : -0.67
    Germans regular : 2.17
    British regular : 2.83
    

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  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Ouch. Your counter strike was effective.


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  • TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 3 artilleries and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Russians
    
        Combat - Russians
    
        Non Combat Move - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies to Russians
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
            1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Sakha to Siberia
            1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Northern Caucasus
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Russia to Bryansk
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia
            1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 130 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Leningrad
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Leningrad
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Southern Belarus
            3 infantry moved from Baltic States to Northern Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Northern Belarus
    
        Place Units - Russians
            3 infantry placed in Siberia
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Leningrad
            2 infantry placed in Russia
    
        Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs
    

    Dice Statistics:

    Total
            1 was rolled 23 times
            2 was rolled 17 times
            3 was rolled 13 times
            4 was rolled 16 times
            5 was rolled 14 times
            6 was rolled 15 times
        Average roll : 3.265
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.653
        Standard Deviation : 0.808
        Total rolls : 98
    
    Germans Combat
            1 was rolled 14 times
            2 was rolled 11 times
            3 was rolled 6 times
            4 was rolled 14 times
            5 was rolled 9 times
            6 was rolled 10 times
        Average roll : 3.359
        Median : 4.000
        Variance : 0.751
        Standard Deviation : 0.867
        Total rolls : 64
    
    British Combat
            1 was rolled 4 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 2 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 2.583
        Median : 2.000
        Variance : 0.727
        Standard Deviation : 0.853
        Total rolls : 12
    
    French Combat
            1 was rolled 3 times
            2 was rolled 3 times
            3 was rolled 4 times
            4 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 3.000
        Median : 3.000
        Variance : 0.564
        Standard Deviation : 0.751
        Total rolls : 14
    
    Neutral_Allies Combat
            1 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 3 times
            6 was rolled 2 times
        Average roll : 4.000
        Median : 5.000
        Variance : 1.048
        Standard Deviation : 1.024
        Total rolls : 8
    

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  • TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Japanese round 1

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory, version: 5.1.0

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Japanese
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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  • I edited because the game wouldn’t let Russia take the Pro-Allies territory. A Whopping 0 PU benefit.


  • Would you also please upvote (heart icon I think) 3 of my posts?
    Until I have 3 reputation, the forum won’t let me post but 1x every 90 seconds which has already proved annoying. Cheers.

  • 2025 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20

    Russia is neutral. You can’t take the territory until you declare war. You are not part of the Allies until then.

    No sure how that affects your move.


  • @surfer ok; you can edit back please. Leave the dude where he started please

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