Had another edit to do so posted the French one.
L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3
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@JDOW so you think i should continue?
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He will make 90 next round. He can just build build and build. Thats why
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Yeah, you need to make something happen. But b4 resigning you may make a bold move or throw out a bait hoping for bad dice or so.
Maybe there is nothing you could do from here.
Regarding your question, what you may have done wrong:- No chance to put better defense at Egypt?
- Re Europe. US should always have a bomber in UK to threaten deactivating the AB. Without the AB, UK could kill the German fleet.
Tiny details. At this level, they may decide the game. Is Egypt a tough to crack fortress or can the Germans just take it “en passant” while choking the Russians?
The typical usual dynamic is that the Germans have to give Russia lots of freedom if they go hard for Egypt.But as said, if Axis is played well, Allies have a hard time.
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@JDOW said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
Trulpen is a tough cookie as Axis. He tends to make big mistakes from time to time but if he does not, his Axis is hard to beat.
Tell me about it. Don’t know how many times I’ve lost Berlin.
Kairo is utterly lost, which is a very tough blow for UK. Also means G may, with some italian help, run amok in Africa and also safely controls the ME. Priority is to reapply serious pressure on Russia, which from now on will get on a very tough ride. The Allies won’t be able to bring in much reinforcements to Moscow, which means the capital is likely toast soon. G will soon have above 100 income.
Not boosting Africa and ME enough was perhaps the key mistake for the Allies?
The Allied fleet is rather strong in z110 and control of Normandie pretty sound.
I was choosing between building that late fleet or letting it be. Had the option though to control z112, which I think is a very important task for G. The US might very well bomb the WG ab soon, but I won’t put myself in a position where it matters.
UK-Pac and China is still alive, but J is coming on strong. JN is massive and also looks good on the main-land.
Anyway, I don’t mind neither a resignation och continuance.
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Differentiated TUV-analysis
Before G8
Structure Axis TUV Allies TUV MIC 4 120 6 180 mIC 8 96 6 72 ab 9 135 15 225 nb 9 135 14 210 Total 30 486 41 687 Units Axis TUV Allies TUV - - - - - 293 1576 344 1861 -
How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.
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And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table
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@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.
Yes, an early mIC in Persia would’ve helped. Also being able to send in some more air, but most of it is occupied now by Normandie. Kairo is rather strong, but not strong enough in this instance against the panzar and luftwaffe.
@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table
The table is just a separation of units. There are structures and then fighting units. Looking at the total TUV is a bit misleading, since usually the Allies have more of structural TUV in their batch.
What we can see though is that the Allies does have 285 more TUV of fighting units. This gap will likely close now that both G and J are expanding at the expense of primarily R, UK and Ch.
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I could have put more fighter to Egypt at the risk of bombing raids nsybe that is the thing
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More air would be good. Kairo is more important than avoiding SBR. Probably also building more mechs in SA or get a tr-shuttle in place, which however might get a bit fragile at times.
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Of course, with more air in Cairo G wouldn’t have had to invest as heavily in fleet and stack as much air by WG, so more air would come into the attack. That’s however an analysis of the short-term.
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all right. all air should have ben in kairo. so then rusian would have been lost. I dont know. I resign
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@trulpen said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.
Yes, an early mIC in Persia would’ve helped. Also being able to send in some more air, but most of it is occupied now by Normandie. Kairo is rather strong, but not strong enough in this instance against the panzar and luftwaffe.
@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table
The table is just a separation of units. There are structures and then fighting units. Looking at the total TUV is a bit misleading, since usually the Allies have more of structural TUV in their batch.
What we can see though is that the Allies does have 285 more TUV of fighting units. This gap will likely close now that both G and J are expanding at the expense of primarily R, UK and Ch.
how would a minor in persia have helped? I never find that helpfulf. Iraq is a much stronger position combined with egypt. Persia is only helpful if you can deny NW persia
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@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:
How should africa and MA have been boosted?
I am not a big fan of a Persia IC as you build it for the Germans. I utilize the SA factory as good as I can. I saw that Oysteilo built quite some units there, so there are the following tools at your disposal:
- Kill the Italians in Africa with the India TT in UK1
- Build even a bit more in SA
- You may build the Persia IC, lose it later but get about 9 extra inf out there
- Build more US figs
- And last but not least, there is the big move, that often is required to hold egypt: Swing the 110 fleet over and bring reinforcements from UK
The last move should make an attack at Egypt very unattractive or make it even inpenetrable.
From there, the Allies lifeline depends on creating some counterpressure on the Axis. Egypt may be safe but without pressure from 110, Axis can storm MoscowAt this point, it is all about the details on how many units you have, and if you could steal some tempo from the Axis etc.
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Yes, UK has a hard time utilizing 3 mICs in the area, but 2 are good. I usually prefer the factory-complex of Iraq + Persia. They’re then supporting eachother.
If you however go for an immediate mIC in Cairo, then I’d also prefer Iraq.
Most important here though was to be able to boost the number of units before the german invasion and for that effect I think Persia would’ve been good enough. You are usually able to build that mIC one turn earlier, which is a big plus.
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I checked the history and, on a superficial level, I was wondering about the following:
- Your fleet sat too long in 98. Preferably the Allies defend Egypt against Italy even without moven the fleet at all and to it with air only (killing the Italians South of Egypt UK1 helps)
- Tiny detail, but inf+aa could have been brought to Egypt in Uk2 (Defend Gib somehow, but these 2 units belong to Egypt imo)
- I do not understand why you did not murder the Italian fleet in Uk4. Even against the scramble you had overwhelming odds and I would not hesitate a second if I could kill 4!!! German planes against the scramble.
All together the Germans were too long left alone without any counter pressure which allowed them to achieve both, keep Russians choked AND bring enough mech to the middle east.
As said, in the end, if is not just these single things, but the some of all little things that change the big picture.But in the end, I have to say: Axis is so strong: If I played myself, I may not stand a chance against my own Axis.
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Some final points from my side:
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G1 is + 111 for germany. This number hides a +38 gain in paris and taking normandy without a loss with 1 inf+1mech+1art. But 111 went well for me, taking down 2 subs, a fighter and a tac without a scramble. Likewise J1 went really bad for trulpen. He is actually -1 in hunnan and yunnan. The chinese took down 6 japanese! That is the only reason India is still alive. Maybe I should have tried to stack Yunnan, hmmm. But really hard when everything is moved south
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Round 3 to 5. I guess here it is where it goes wrong. For UK3 maybe I should only go for syria with a mech and an arm and 3 planes and use a dest 2 fig and a bomber to 99 and rush the fleet and transports to gib. Then I am set up for normandy round 4. So why didn’t I do that? I considered it. It means I am leaving crete and cyprus axis controlled probably for the whole game or at least many rounds. What I did also allowed me to merge the UK fleets at egypt (98) and set up to take the med islands round 4 without sacrificing the trannies. But I ended up building another airbase because I realized my fleet was not strong enough if he hit it with italy and picked up the pieces with Germany. So that was not ideal, but I gained the med island at +6 for me and -2 for germany. 8 IPC a round is something. So what happens next is I am stuck in 99 and lose a lot of momentum. But I think I solve it OK by smashing Tunisia and securing north africa. But when you run the numbers, the med island and north africa is worth about the same as normandy/holland/belgium… These expeditions also contribute to a weaker egypt. So when looking back not securing normandy round 4 probably is the BIG mistake.
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Why I didnt murder the italien fleet in round 4? He can scramble 5 fighters and a tac. I need to move in my whole fleet. The fleet is not greatly positioned in 97 although a nice convoy is likely
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Maybe it is something to consider to kill ethiopia round 1 when I am “just” going for an egypt factory
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The pacific isnt great either and I am not sure what the right thing to do with russians are. Enter korea/manchuria earlier or just dont bother
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I think re 97. the key is that you would kill german planes and that an airstrike would cost even more. I guess shutting down italy for good may have been worth it.
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