L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 8

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4.0

Game History

Round: 8

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 3 artilleries, 2 carriers, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
        1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Volgograd
        1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Syria
              Germans take Syria from British
        1 infantry moved from Vologda to Urals
              Germans take Urals from Russians
        1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Nenetsia
              Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
        1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Tambov
        1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Tambov
        1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
              Germans take Eastern Persia from British
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Turkmenistan
              Germans take Turkmenistan from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Volgograd

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Tambov
            Germans attack with 2 bombers and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tambov
            Germans win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Volgograd
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                Russians roll AA dice in Volgograd : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 4 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Volgograd, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1,67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Volgograd, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Volgograd
            Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Yugoslavia
        2 bombers moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Rostov
        3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
        2 aaGuns moved from Caucasus to Rostov
        8 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Trans-Jordan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
        1 armour and 13 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Iraq
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        4 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to 112 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Yugoslavia to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Southern Italy
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        6 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to France
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy

    Place Units - Germans
        2 carriers and 2 submarines placed in 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        Germans undo move 3.
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
        1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 80 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,4,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6,1,3,5
        Germans collect 59 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 83 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 1,33
Germans regular : 3,00
Russians AA : -0,17

Savegame

[oysteilo]

all right, good game! I have nothing here. what did I do wrong?

[JDOW]

Trulpen is a tough cookie as Axis. He tends to make big mistakes from time to time but if he does not, his Axis is hard to beat.

[JDOW]

Although the resignation looks a bit premature to me. I guess you surrender because Egypt falls? I did not run the numbers.
But so far, India is fine, Chinese still alive, IT fleet gone, Beachhead in Normandy, and still a good TUV lead.

It may happen that the Axis will overpower the Allies from here, but I would not have resigned at this point yet as Allies.

[oysteilo]

@JDOW so you think i should continue?

[oysteilo]

He will make 90 next round. He can just build build and build. Thats why

[JDOW]

Yeah, you need to make something happen. But b4 resigning you may make a bold move or throw out a bait hoping for bad dice or so.

Maybe there is nothing you could do from here.
Regarding your question, what you may have done wrong:

• No chance to put better defense at Egypt?
• Re Europe. US should always have a bomber in UK to threaten deactivating the AB. Without the AB, UK could kill the German fleet.

Tiny details. At this level, they may decide the game. Is Egypt a tough to crack fortress or can the Germans just take it “en passant” while choking the Russians?
The typical usual dynamic is that the Germans have to give Russia lots of freedom if they go hard for Egypt.

But as said, if Axis is played well, Allies have a hard time.

[trulpen]

@JDOW said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

Trulpen is a tough cookie as Axis. He tends to make big mistakes from time to time but if he does not, his Axis is hard to beat.

Tell me about it. Don’t know how many times I’ve lost Berlin.

Kairo is utterly lost, which is a very tough blow for UK. Also means G may, with some italian help, run amok in Africa and also safely controls the ME. Priority is to reapply serious pressure on Russia, which from now on will get on a very tough ride. The Allies won’t be able to bring in much reinforcements to Moscow, which means the capital is likely toast soon. G will soon have above 100 income.

Not boosting Africa and ME enough was perhaps the key mistake for the Allies?

The Allied fleet is rather strong in z110 and control of Normandie pretty sound.

I was choosing between building that late fleet or letting it be. Had the option though to control z112, which I think is a very important task for G. The US might very well bomb the WG ab soon, but I won’t put myself in a position where it matters.

UK-Pac and China is still alive, but J is coming on strong. JN is massive and also looks good on the main-land.

Anyway, I don’t mind neither a resignation och continuance.

[trulpen]

Differentiated TUV-analysis

Before G8

Structure	Axis	TUV	Allies	TUV
MIC	4	120	6	180
mIC	8	96	6	72
ab	9	135	15	225
nb	9	135	14	210
Total	30	486	41	687
Units	Axis	TUV	Allies	TUV
-	-	-	-	-
	293	1576	344	1861

[oysteilo]

How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.

[oysteilo]

And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table

[trulpen]

@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.

Yes, an early mIC in Persia would’ve helped. Also being able to send in some more air, but most of it is occupied now by Normandie. Kairo is rather strong, but not strong enough in this instance against the panzar and luftwaffe.

@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table

The table is just a separation of units. There are structures and then fighting units. Looking at the total TUV is a bit misleading, since usually the Allies have more of structural TUV in their batch.

What we can see though is that the Allies does have 285 more TUV of fighting units. This gap will likely close now that both G and J are expanding at the expense of primarily R, UK and Ch.

[oysteilo]

I could have put more fighter to Egypt at the risk of bombing raids nsybe that is the thing

[trulpen]

More air would be good. Kairo is more important than avoiding SBR. Probably also building more mechs in SA or get a tr-shuttle in place, which however might get a bit fragile at times.

[trulpen]

Of course, with more air in Cairo G wouldn’t have had to invest as heavily in fleet and stack as much air by WG, so more air would come into the attack. That’s however an analysis of the short-term.

[oysteilo]

all right. all air should have ben in kairo. so then rusian would have been lost. I dont know. I resign

[oysteilo]

@trulpen said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

How should africa and MA have been boosted? I think that is easy critisism. I could have taken iraq differently and gained a complex there earlier. I am not at the map now but Egypt is not that weak. Its about 35 to 40 units there next round, if i stay, its not that bad.

Yes, an early mIC in Persia would’ve helped. Also being able to send in some more air, but most of it is occupied now by Normandie. Kairo is rather strong, but not strong enough in this instance against the panzar and luftwaffe.

@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

And i think i could have gained Normandie one round earlier. I did not understand the table

The table is just a separation of units. There are structures and then fighting units. Looking at the total TUV is a bit misleading, since usually the Allies have more of structural TUV in their batch.

What we can see though is that the Allies does have 285 more TUV of fighting units. This gap will likely close now that both G and J are expanding at the expense of primarily R, UK and Ch.

how would a minor in persia have helped? I never find that helpfulf. Iraq is a much stronger position combined with egypt. Persia is only helpful if you can deny NW persia

[JDOW]

@oysteilo said in L20 trulpen (X) vs oysteilo (A+16) BM3:

How should africa and MA have been boosted?

I am not a big fan of a Persia IC as you build it for the Germans. I utilize the SA factory as good as I can. I saw that Oysteilo built quite some units there, so there are the following tools at your disposal:

• Kill the Italians in Africa with the India TT in UK1
• Build even a bit more in SA
• You may build the Persia IC, lose it later but get about 9 extra inf out there
• Build more US figs
• And last but not least, there is the big move, that often is required to hold egypt: Swing the 110 fleet over and bring reinforcements from UK

The last move should make an attack at Egypt very unattractive or make it even inpenetrable.
From there, the Allies lifeline depends on creating some counterpressure on the Axis. Egypt may be safe but without pressure from 110, Axis can storm Moscow

At this point, it is all about the details on how many units you have, and if you could steal some tempo from the Axis etc.

[trulpen]

Yes, UK has a hard time utilizing 3 mICs in the area, but 2 are good. I usually prefer the factory-complex of Iraq + Persia. They’re then supporting eachother.

If you however go for an immediate mIC in Cairo, then I’d also prefer Iraq.

Most important here though was to be able to boost the number of units before the german invasion and for that effect I think Persia would’ve been good enough. You are usually able to build that mIC one turn earlier, which is a big plus.

[JDOW]

I checked the history and, on a superficial level, I was wondering about the following:

1. Your fleet sat too long in 98. Preferably the Allies defend Egypt against Italy even without moven the fleet at all and to it with air only (killing the Italians South of Egypt UK1 helps)
2. Tiny detail, but inf+aa could have been brought to Egypt in Uk2 (Defend Gib somehow, but these 2 units belong to Egypt imo)
3. I do not understand why you did not murder the Italian fleet in Uk4. Even against the scramble you had overwhelming odds and I would not hesitate a second if I could kill 4!!! German planes against the scramble.

All together the Germans were too long left alone without any counter pressure which allowed them to achieve both, keep Russians choked AND bring enough mech to the middle east.
As said, in the end, if is not just these single things, but the some of all little things that change the big picture.

But in the end, I have to say: Axis is so strong: If I played myself, I may not stand a chance against my own Axis.