@Elrood In our G40 game I lost an 80% battle to the Italian fleet and the allies have never recovered!
WaW Team Game VII!
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Ok, I pulled out of Leningrad. Joel has like 10 cruisers in range for prelim bombard, so, not much choice.
Sorry for all the edits. Feel free to audit to make sure correct.
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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 8
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World At War, version: 2.1.1
Game History
Round: 8 Combat Move - Italians 1 ArmoredCar, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank moved from Lithuania to Minsk 1 ArmoredCar moved from Latvia to Minsk 2 Infantrys moved from Tunis to S.Tunisia 3 Adv.Fighters and 1 Fighter moved from 46 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone 1 Bomber moved from Rome to 41 Sea Zone 1 Infantry moved from Tunis to S.Tunisia 1 Infantry moved from Tunis to S.Tunisia Purchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 Elite, 4 Fighters and 10 Infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat - Italians Battle in Minsk Italians attack with 2 ArmoredCars, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank Russians defend with 2 Infantrys Italians roll dice for 2 ArmoredCars, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank in Minsk, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 Infantrys in Minsk, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 ArmoredCar owned by the Italians lost in Minsk Italians roll dice for 1 ArmoredCar, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank in Minsk, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 Infantrys in Minsk, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 ArmoredCar owned by the Italians and 1 Infantry owned by the Russians lost in Minsk Italians roll dice for 1 Artillery and 1 Tank in Minsk, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 Infantry in Minsk, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 Artillery owned by the Italians lost in Minsk Italians roll dice for 1 Tank in Minsk, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 Infantry in Minsk, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 Tank owned by the Italians lost in Minsk Russians win with 1 Infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -15 Casualties for Italians: 2 ArmoredCars, 1 Artillery and 1 Tank Casualties for Russians: 1 Infantry Battle in S.Tunisia Italians attack with 4 Infantrys British defend with 1 Infantry Italians roll dice for 4 Infantrys in S.Tunisia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 0.67 expected hits French roll dice for 1 Infantry in S.Tunisia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 Infantry owned by the British lost in S.Tunisia Italians win, taking S.Tunisia from French with 4 Infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2 Casualties for British: 1 Infantry Battle in 41 Sea Zone Italians attack with 3 Adv.Fighters, 1 Bomber and 1 Fighter Americans defend with 1 B.Transport, 1 Carrier and 3 S.Submarines Italians roll dice for 3 Adv.Fighters, 1 Bomber and 1 Fighter in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 B.Transport and 1 Carrier in 41 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 B.Transport owned by the Americans and 1 Fighter owned by the Italians lost in 41 Sea Zone Italians roll dice for 3 Adv.Fighters and 1 Bomber in 41 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 Carrier in 41 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 2 S.Submarines owned by the Americans lost in 41 Sea Zone Italians roll dice for 3 Adv.Fighters and 1 Bomber in 41 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 Carrier in 41 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 Carrier owned by the Americans, 1 S.Submarine owned by the Americans and 1 Adv.Fighter owned by the Italians lost in 41 Sea Zone Italians win with 2 Adv.Fighters and 1 Bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34 Casualties for Italians: 1 Adv.Fighter and 1 Fighter Casualties for Americans: 1 B.Transport, 1 Carrier and 3 S.Submarines Non Combat Move - Italians 1 Bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to Andalusia 2 Adv.Fighters moved from 41 Sea Zone to Andalusia 1 Artillery moved from S.Algeria to N.Tunisia 4 Infantrys moved from Sicily to 46 Sea Zone 4 Infantrys moved from 46 Sea Zone to N.Tunisia 2 Infantrys moved from Rome to 46 Sea Zone 2 Infantrys moved from 46 Sea Zone to N.Tunisia 1 Infantry moved from S.Algeria to S.Tunisia Place Units - Italians 4 Fighters placed in 46 Sea Zone 1 Elite and 3 Infantrys placed in Tunis 6 Infantrys placed in Rome 1 Infantry placed in Lombardy Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 French regular : -0.33 Italians regular : -3.50 Russians regular : 2.00 -
Did I hit a bug? I thought submarines and supersubmarines got to submerge after one round of combat to escape from aircraft attacks? I kept seeing the option to retreat the Italian aircraft but didn’t see the option for the American submarines. I tried to follow max defense, killing the transport first, then the subs, then the carrier.
I was expecting that Italian aircraft attack and American units of the transport and carrier roll back. Submarines normally don’t get to shoot at aircraft. Then the option to submerge which I missed seeing if it was there should have popped up, and the option to retreat the Italian aircraft. Next round should have been surviving surface ships and surviving aircraft, with eventually only Italian aircraft and submerged American subs in the zone.
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@Degrasse hi . I found that when. I ran it twice in Local . Was a bit surprised. Thought the Subs would survive too.
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I did the same thing, reopened the game file as French, put 6 Italian ships and submarines in a sea zone and then attacked with 6 French airplanes. The two Italian ships missed and then the French planes killed the subs in the second round. No option to submerge.
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@redrum msyve it’s a game option not toggled?
It’s that or it COULD be part of the rules/map/version update
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As long as there isn’t a destroyer present then enemy subs should be given the option to submerge as WaW rules are based on revised edition.
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there should have been an option for the subs to submerge against an air only attack. But they don’t have to submerge… they can be used to soak hits, which would have been in the best interest of the US in this case. Either way, the option to submerge didn’t appear … as it should have.
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Possibly a minor NCM coming to Degrasse’s move.
Also - USA have any comment on stay and fight to save carrier? or submerge the subs?
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@Degrasse i would like the two surviving Subs to have submerged after R1.
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@Degrasse Or would it have been three , if the TT took the one hit on R1?
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@Witt I think it would be 3 though then the italian adv fighter would be added back in.
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I’ve done some tests in local and apparently the option to submerge subs in an air only attack are no longer available. I’m not sure how we should proceed with that in future moves.
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@captainwalker Hmm. I tested this game and don’t get the submerge option. But then started a brand new WaW game and attacked the russian baltic fleet with a bunch of german planes and it does prompt to submerge the russian subs…
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Can we edit bavk one It Ft and my three Subs then, please?
Bloody Annoying, that our game won’t accept what we had all got used to as the rule. -
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Ok, I added back the units of the Italian fighter that landed with the other fighters and the three US super subs that would have submerged after the first round. Garg also pointed out that Sicily is not a strait and I needed to NCM one of the Italian destroyers there, which I did.
Actually, that makes three good questions about the map:
Subs should be given the option to submerge
Gibralatar is not a strait?
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@Degrasse Yes to all 3 of those. Straits are marked by a single red dot otherwise they aren’t straits.
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Blue dot. If Sicily and Gibraltar were straits there would be a double blue dot there. A single blue dot indicates that the territories are considered to be connected by land…like Palestine and Egypt.
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@captainwalker could it be that we started this game with the older version where we were having the sub problem to begin with?
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@dawgoneit i can’t get the save that Degrasse posted to work.
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