Bombing by Average

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@Imperious-Leader said in Bombing by Average:

Use either D8 or D10

Wouldn’t this make Germany stronger with weaker allies AA gun ? I do have d8
hit dice. Be easy for me. Guys ain’t gonna wanna roll that d8 football dye.
How’s this. Since the AA gun is used only once and then sits there it should be used also for defense on a ground attack. So keep cost the same.
AAGun
C5 D@1 up to 3 planes d6. d8 ? Before combat.
Defender picks a plane casualty or has to retreat plane. Plus now u have to decide if u want to keep AA gun or take as casualty.
After first round of combat it defends @2 against ground units. It’s like a h art or pill box etc.
If not your cup of tea then go with
AA Gun
C4 D@1. d8
C3 D@1. d10
Enough of ya this and ya that. Play test it !

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@Imperious-Leader

Using a larger die doesn’t help. The fate is still dependent on 1 roll, you just changed the odds.
The point is to have an in between outcome, to not have all your eggs in one basket.
A larger die is just a bigger basket.

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@GEN-MANSTEIN

thankyou Gen-manstein.
I was trying to reflect the loss of some plans.
Although the limits on realism and play ability are difficult.
That is why I recommend only doing this for bombing to keep the rest of the game simple.

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@Imperious-Leader @Sturmhard-Eisenkeil

Yes 3.5 average. And on average you get 5 rolls before getting shoot down on the 6th run. (on adverage)
3.5 * 5 = 17.5 so bombing is a good idea, even when bombers cost 15 IPCs, and at 12 it is a good idea.
(do you guys calculate it differently?)

And if Bombers cannot be shoot down and repair for free Bombers become crazy good!
Their needs to be a chance of losing IPCs to balance bombers or the USA can just spam them.

[General 6 Stars]

I would try the 1-6 chart to get all scenarios for bomber.

1. Killed
2. No effect
3. A@3 plane has minor damage
4. SBR -1 or 2. Plane has minor damage
5. No effect
6. Return home. Plane has major damage
   Start adjusting this chart

[Sturmhard Eisenkeil]

I would try the 1-6 chart to get all scenarios for bomber.

1. Repelled and damaged*
2. Repelled*
3. No effect
4. No effect
5. No effect
6. No effect

• Damaged planes are destroyed with 1 or 2.
  Damaged planes can be repaired as their action.

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How can u give 2 things for 1-2 ? Or u giving player a choice ?

[Sturmhard Eisenkeil]

Damaged planes get killed on 1-2. If you feel desperate or lucky keep conducting SBR with damaged planes, otherwise repair them to be on the save side

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Ok so your saying 3 bombers SBR. 1 AA rolls 3 dice. Get a 1,2,5. So you end up with 1 dam plane. 1 plane has to go back home. 1 plane normal with no dam.
Now what value does the dam plane have for sbring ? Or it stays the same and then if you don’t repair it on next turn if a 2 or less is rolled plane with dam is destroyed and plane being repaired can’t fly next turn ?

[Sturmhard Eisenkeil]

Now i got you. The AA player rolls a dice for each bomber. He calls to target the damaged bomber with the first dice. The remaining two may be tossed together since it makes no difference.
I’ve been playing AADD lately so I was already thinking with the concept of targeted attacks in my mind ^^

[Sturmhard Eisenkeil]

Maybe the ‘damaged’ state is already too complex for A&A.
A even more simplistic rule would be:
If AA hits with a 1 during SBR, the owner of the plane must spend immidiately 5 IPC or the plane is lost.

[General 6 Stars]

Maybe. Time to test

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@GEN-MANSTEIN @Sturmhard-Eisenkeil
I like the chart idea, and repelled! (maybe instead of repelled you could take a -2 to the bomber run?)
But personally, I would want a couple things:

1. the chance of them bomber to be completely killed.
2. I would like the fate of them bomber not to be determined by 1 die roll

We could do a 2 die chart from 2-12 or roll 3 dice and pick the middle one?

[General 6 Stars]

@Grinchveld said in Bombing by Average:

@GEN-MANSTEIN @Sturmhard-Eisenkeil
I like the chart idea, and repelled! (maybe instead of repelled you could take a -2 to the bomber run?)
But personally, I would want a couple things:

1. the chance of them bomber to be completely killed.
2. I would like the fate of them bomber not to be determined by 1 die roll

We could do a 2 die chart from 2-12 or roll 3 dice and pick the middle one?

Well u were looking for simple

[Grinchveld]

@GEN-MANSTEIN tbh the 3 dice and math way feels simpler to me, but others might be more comfortable with the chart.

[Sturmhard Eisenkeil]

@GEN-MANSTEIN
How about this attempt:

After the AA gun hits (targeted - roll for each plane) the owner of the hit plane rolls on the damage table:

1-2: Half damage to IC
3-4: No damage to IC
5: Plane is destroyed
6: Plane is forced zu land in zone of the IC and gets captured (replace it with a corresponding piece in the owners color of the IC) … :D

[General 6 Stars]

Maybe make number 6 plane is damaged to much and has to return home. Don’t like free planes to other side. Or instead of getting a plane maybe give the enemy 2-3 icps for parts of plane but how much of an enemy plane can they use for parts let a lone rebuild a enemy flyable plane.

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@Sturmhard-Eisenkeil
Would the AnA still roll 3 dice? Would the bomber be less effective if it gets hit?
the damage means you don’t need to sit on 5 or 10 ipcs all the time.