I bumped this up because there is a similar thread to compare with.
Bombing by Average
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3.5 is average damage ( from a previous study from Baron Munchhausen and posted on this site)
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This topic has to many can of worms. First off the bomber is to strong on attack. Plus why lose a bomber at that cost for 3.5 ave damage on a IC. That’s why u don’t see a lot of SBR.
Bring the attack and cost value down.
Stg b if have to keep at 12 cost
A3
D1
M6
SBR 1d6 +2
2 hits
1 Damaged
A2
D1
SBR 1d6
Move 5If damaged by aaa gun -1 return movement
Can use next turn if damaged
Repair cost 3 icps at start of turn -
Well you don’t need to do this… It will imbalance the unit compared to other units performing other duties besides SBR.
Change how a AA gun performs…
In the REAL war 10% of bombers were damaged or lost. This means you need to account for DAMAGED planes as well as LOST PLANES.
How: perhaps roll a D10. If you roll 1, then roll again and assign either a pane is destroyed, or must go back to where it came from ( damaged) and not be used that turn. The AA gun might need to be cheaper… say 3-4 IPC?
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@Imperious-Leader said in Bombing by Average:
Well you don’t need to do this… It will imbalance the unit compared to other units performing other duties besides SBR.
Change how a AA gun performs…
In the REAL war 10% of bombers were damaged or lost. This means you need to account for DAMAGED planes as well as LOST PLANES.
How: perhaps roll a D10. If you roll 1, then roll again and assign either a pane is destroyed, or must go back to where it came from ( damaged) and not be used that turn. The AA gun might need to be cheaper… say 3-4 IPC?
That’s the problem. There unbalanced now.
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Test what IL said. But do it with d6 dye.
This way you have a choice. I’d leave it either plane is destroyed or returns home damaged.
At start of next turn has no damage.
It’s a start -
Use either D8 or D10
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Both sides need a 6 space reach unit attacking at 4, since only some nations can afford a Battleship and others are mostly land powers.
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@Imperious-Leader said in Bombing by Average:
Use either D8 or D10
Wouldn’t this make Germany stronger with weaker allies AA gun ? I do have d8
hit dice. Be easy for me. Guys ain’t gonna wanna roll that d8 football dye.
How’s this. Since the AA gun is used only once and then sits there it should be used also for defense on a ground attack. So keep cost the same.
AAGun
C5 D@1 up to 3 planes d6. d8 ? Before combat.
Defender picks a plane casualty or has to retreat plane. Plus now u have to decide if u want to keep AA gun or take as casualty.
After first round of combat it defends @2 against ground units. It’s like a h art or pill box etc.
If not your cup of tea then go with
AA Gun
C4 D@1. d8
C3 D@1. d10
Enough of ya this and ya that. Play test it ! -
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Using a larger die doesn’t help. The fate is still dependent on 1 roll, you just changed the odds.
The point is to have an in between outcome, to not have all your eggs in one basket.
A larger die is just a bigger basket. -
@GEN-MANSTEIN
thankyou Gen-manstein.
I was trying to reflect the loss of some plans.
Although the limits on realism and play ability are difficult.
That is why I recommend only doing this for bombing to keep the rest of the game simple. -
@Imperious-Leader @Sturmhard-Eisenkeil
Yes 3.5 average. And on average you get 5 rolls before getting shoot down on the 6th run. (on adverage)
3.5 * 5 = 17.5 so bombing is a good idea, even when bombers cost 15 IPCs, and at 12 it is a good idea.
(do you guys calculate it differently?)And if Bombers cannot be shoot down and repair for free Bombers become crazy good!
Their needs to be a chance of losing IPCs to balance bombers or the USA can just spam them. -
I would try the 1-6 chart to get all scenarios for bomber.
- Killed
- No effect
- A@3 plane has minor damage
- SBR -1 or 2. Plane has minor damage
- No effect
- Return home. Plane has major damage
Start adjusting this chart
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I would try the 1-6 chart to get all scenarios for bomber.
- Repelled and damaged*
- Repelled*
- No effect
- No effect
- No effect
- No effect
- Damaged planes are destroyed with 1 or 2.
Damaged planes can be repaired as their action.
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How can u give 2 things for 1-2 ? Or u giving player a choice ?
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Damaged planes get killed on 1-2. If you feel desperate or lucky keep conducting SBR with damaged planes, otherwise repair them to be on the save side
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Ok so your saying 3 bombers SBR. 1 AA rolls 3 dice. Get a 1,2,5. So you end up with 1 dam plane. 1 plane has to go back home. 1 plane normal with no dam.
Now what value does the dam plane have for sbring ? Or it stays the same and then if you don’t repair it on next turn if a 2 or less is rolled plane with dam is destroyed and plane being repaired can’t fly next turn ? -
Now i got you. The AA player rolls a dice for each bomber. He calls to target the damaged bomber with the first dice. The remaining two may be tossed together since it makes no difference.
I’ve been playing AADD lately so I was already thinking with the concept of targeted attacks in my mind ^^ -
Maybe the ‘damaged’ state is already too complex for A&A.
A even more simplistic rule would be:
If AA hits with a 1 during SBR, the owner of the plane must spend immidiately 5 IPC or the plane is lost.
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