L20 #3 trulpen (X+9) vs axis-dominion (A) BM3

[axis-dominion]

you are playing much better now that you’ve taken my advice and slowed down, etc. congrats, this means the next time we play, you won’t qualify for an axis bid. I will need an allied bid instead :)

[axis-dominion]

@axis-dominion said in L20 #3 trulpen (X+9) vs axis-dominion (A) BM3:

you are playing much better now that you’ve taken my advice and slowed down, etc. congrats, this means the next time we play, you won’t qualify for an axis bid. I will need an allied bid instead :)

the price of progress ;)

[trulpen]

@axis-dominion said in L20 #3 trulpen (X+9) vs axis-dominion (A) BM3:

you are playing much better now that you’ve taken my advice and slowed down, etc. congrats, this means the next time we play, you won’t qualify for an axis bid. I will need an allied bid instead :)

Your advice was simply golden. Highly appreciate it. I believe just those few ideas and revelations made a big impact for my recent development. I also studied the first two turns of your game with JDOW, which made me change some approaches in my opening (still a bit flexible, of course).

[Pejon_88]

@trulpen and @axis-dominion Hi both!

AD, I am a friend of trulpen’s and actually showed him AA 1940 tabletop, what was it, 2 years ago or something? Then he introduced me to AAA. I was reluctant at first, but now I love it, even though I don’t have 13 games ongoing at the same time ;)
He has surpassed me in skill by now, but that is definitely deserved with the amount of time he spends here.

Anyway, I have on my own accord as well as via discussions with trulpen followed your games and it’s very fun to watch and I learn a lot. Thanks! I have a question/comment to you AD, considering trulpen’s improvement over the course of your games. I feel like it has a lot to do with better basic tactics and opening moves on his part, correct me if I’m wrong, but how much would you say is about perfect openings and how much is about overall skill/strategy over the course of a full game? Reason I’m asking is because people usually discusses first rounds of a game a lot , which is not surprising since the game board always looks the same making such discussions easy and that first rounds are part of every game hehe. However, it makes me a little sad to think that the opening is where a game is decided, excluding extreme luck throughout a whole game from one side. I hope the overall strategy will be your answer, because otherwise the game would become quite lame after a while.

Btw you should join trulpen’s 2v2 tournament ;)

Thanks!

[axis-dominion]

@Pejon_88 said in L20 #3 trulpen (X+9) vs axis-dominion (A) BM3:

@trulpen and @axis-dominion Hi both!

AD, I am a friend of trulpen’s and actually showed him AA 1940 tabletop, what was it, 2 years ago or something? Then he introduced me to AAA. I was reluctant at first, but now I love it, even though I don’t have 13 games ongoing at the same time ;)
He has surpassed me in skill by now, but that is definitely deserved with the amount of time he spends here.

Anyway, I have on my own accord as well as via discussions with trulpen followed your games and it’s very fun to watch and I learn a lot. Thanks! I have a question/comment to you AD, considering trulpen’s improvement over the course of your games. I feel like it has a lot to do with better basic tactics and opening moves on his part, correct me if I’m wrong, but how much would you say is about perfect openings and how much is about overall skill/strategy over the course of a full game? Reason I’m asking is because people usually discusses first rounds of a game a lot , which is not surprising since the game board always looks the same making such discussions easy and that first rounds are part of every game hehe. However, it makes me a little sad to think that the opening is where a game is decided, excluding extreme luck throughout a whole game from one side. I hope the overall strategy will be your answer, because otherwise the game would become quite lame after a while.

Btw you should join trulpen’s 2v2 tournament ;)

Thanks!

hi pejon! nice to meet you! man what cool names, trulpen, pejon, :) thanks for the compliments, and those are some seriously excellent questions. I will answer them more fully sometime later today or tonight, when I have more of a chance to reflect on them, and I am not so distracted with work haha… I do want to give you a thoughtful answer coming from my considerable experience (I used to be like trulpen and play 10+ games concurrently, and easily accomplished 50+ games per season/year, but finally had to slow down on my addiction :)

btw, unlike other top masters like jdow and Adam, I like to “mess around” a lot when I’m playing tiers 1 and E (i.e., try new fun openings and strategies that may not be optimal in the highest tier play), so that I can get a lot more variety out of the game, and usually I can get away with it, but sometimes I do run into some bad luck, then the game turns more serious and I have to really stop experimenting and play as streamlined as possible to pull out the win, banking more on my higher skill and experience levels. I also like to grant generous bids to my opponents, as you can see here in this game, but you usually won’t see that with other master players, as they feel more strongly about their reputation and ranking. I just don’t feel as strongly about it. while it’s nice, i much prefer to have a good time trying new things and getting into challenging situations that I have to pull myself out of.

anyway, like I said, I’ll try to give a fuller answer later.

which 2v2 tournament is going on? I’ll most likely be interested in joining up!

[Pejon_88]

@axis-dominion Haha, thanks for being so nice :)
Yeah take your time and answer whenever you have time.

That philosophy is really great I think. It makes it more interesting for you, you can try out new things and actually evolve the game and lesser opponents get to play you too :)

Trulpen initiated the tournament thread today so nothing up and running just yet: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35308/2-vs-2-league-tourney/4

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 12

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Vologda
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Urals
              Italians take Urals from Russians

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Vologda
            Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Vologda, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -0,33

Savegame

[trulpen]

Causalty?

[axis-dominion]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X+9) vs axis-dominion (A) BM3:

Causalty?

Inf

Keep in mind if all there’s left is an aa gun, then you’ll be forced to take it

[trulpen]

Oh, didn’t know that. Thought it was the number of units that counted and that there would be the option to retreat. Guess I was lucky to only get 1 hit then. :lightning:

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Vologda
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Urals
              Italians take Urals from Russians

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Vologda
            Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Vologda, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
            2 mech_infantrys owned by the Italians and 2 armour owned by the Italians retreated to Novosibirsk
            Russians win with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to Germany
        1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Timguska

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,2,6,3,4,6,5,2,5
        Italians collect 10 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -0,33
Russians : -0,67

Savegame

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Vologda
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Urals
              Italians take Urals from Russians

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Vologda
            Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys in Vologda, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
            2 mech_infantrys owned by the Italians and 2 armour owned by the Italians retreated to Novosibirsk
            Russians win with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to Germany
        1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Timguska

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2,2,6,3,4,6,5,2,5
        Italians collect 10 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Northern Italy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Southern Italy: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -0,33
Russians : -0,67

Savegame

[trulpen]

All inf to Rome!

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 submarine moved from 61 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win with 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 cruiser moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 52 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 fighter placed in New South Wales
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 30 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Queensland: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 30 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Queensland: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 54 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3,4,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 62 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5,3,3
        ANZAC collect 6 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 97 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : 0.67
Japanese : -0.33

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

made a small edit on the pac side

[axis-dominion]

also, can you edit the French fig onto Yugo instead of on the carrier?

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 12

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 12

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 submarine moved from 61 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC attack with 3 fighters and 1 submarine
            Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Japanese lost in 55 Sea Zone
            ANZAC win with 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
        1 cruiser moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 52 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 fighter placed in New South Wales
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 30 Sea Zone: 1 carrier
        EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Queensland: 3 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 30 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Queensland: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 5
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 54 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3,4,1
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 62 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5,3,3
        ANZAC collect 6 PUs (5 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 destroyer moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 97 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 97 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Yugoslavia: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : 0.67
Japanese : -0.33

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

actually, I edited it already, so use latest map

[trulpen]

I will. Can’t do the move now. Too tired. Too important.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 13

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 13

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans repair damage of 6x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 82 PUs; 
        Germans buy 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Smolensk to Vologda
        2 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Archangel
        1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 bomber moved from Bryansk to Vologda
        7 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Archangel
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Greece
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Southern Italy to Greece
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Eire to 109 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 123 Sea Zone to Iceland

    Combat - Germans
        Air Battle in Greece
            Germans attacks with 10 units heading to Greece
            Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
        Strategic bombing raid in Greece
                AA fire in Greece : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                AA fire in Greece : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            1 tactical_bomber killed by AA
                AA fire in Greece : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Greece rolls: 7 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Greece rolls: 6 and causes: 6 damage to unit: airfield
            Bombing raid in Greece causes 12 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: factory_minor = 6, airfield = 6
        Battle in Iceland
        Battle in Archangel
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Archangel
            Germans win, taking Iceland from British, taking Archangel from Russians with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Samara
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara
            Germans win, taking Samara from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Vologda
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                AA fire in Vologda : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun and 1 infantry in Vologda, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Vologda
            Germans win, taking Vologda from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
        Cleaning up after air battles

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Vologda to Novgorod
        1 bomber moved from Archangel to Novgorod
        1 bomber moved from Samara to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        1 fighter moved from Archangel to Bryansk
        4 armour moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
        8 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        1 battleship, 6 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 109 Sea Zone to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to France
        2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Germany
        6 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        4 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 fighter moved from Archangel to Novgorod
        16 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Eastern Poland
        4 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
        3 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Southern Italy
        2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Volgograd
        1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk

    Place Units - Germans
        1 fighter placed in Germany
        3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
        3 infantry placed in Germany
        3 infantry placed in France
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern Italy: 2 mech_infantrys
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 2 mech_infantrys
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5,5,5,1,2,4,4,1,1
        Germans collect 59 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 59 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 79 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 2,00
AA fire in Greece : : 0,50
AA fire in Vologda : : -0,17
Russians : -1,33

Savegame