@Daaras Double chance to scramble?
League General Discussion Thread
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Wow, you put a lot of thought into that and I read almost every word. I appreciate that effort.
I understand that as avid A&A players, you all are big time thinkers and don’t mind putting a lot of time into your endeavors. Always looking to improve things. That’s fine, just putting that out there.
A huge plus of the current system is that you can easily take any individual’s score and recalculate it to make sure it’s correct. It’s also already fairly complex, and adding little exceptions like this make it more complex.
I get it, some of you are fantasizing about the newcomer playing a tier M. Or even a tier 2 playing a tier M. I have a rebuttal to this, and I think it’s very, very strong, honestly.
As it stands now, a tier M gets 6 points for beating a tier 1, which is worth his time. A tier E gets 5 points for beating a tier 2, which also scores him 5 points which makes him a more solid tier E and works toward counting toward the 8 to be in the main playoff ( note that you do not need 8 games to play in the 2nd or 3rd playoff and only 8 players actually need the 8 games to play in the league championship playoff in January)
Now, apologies to my current opponent, Aequitas et veritas for the following, but is necessary for my rebuttal. He’s a very cool guy so I’m sure no offense will be taken.
Aequitas is a veteran of the site and has played a WHOPPING 86 games in the past 2 1/2 years. He’s a known quantity. Very known. He has averaged roughly 3.5, or a low tier 1 these 2 1/2 years. I have been off for over 2 years having played zero A&A. I accepted a challenge from AeV to have a fun game and knock a bunch of the rust off.
Now some of you will probably think I’m an insensitive jerk for this, but whatever. It’s just my honest opinion, and I guarantee you other top players of the site could look at our game and would 100% agree with me. Unfortunately, AeV has nearly 0 chance of winning our game, and this is only through J1. Again, no disrespect meant, AeV is a respected, well liked veteran of our league. But from my years of experience, I can assure you he has less than 1% chance of winning this game after J1. All I’ve done is make a scramble decision with the UK and moved a non-com R1. And don’t even talk about the dice - they would have to be uber extreme to matter.
I disagree with the 95% hypothetical of the chance a player has of winning against a player 2 tiers below him. I think it’s closer to 99%. A game between a Master and a tier 2 (which is a 3 tier difference, of course) isn’t just non-competitive. It’s pretty much a waste of time, league or no. It’s a bug against the windshield. I totally understand the sentiment of learning from better players. Trust me, a tier 3 could learn a lot from a game with a tier 2, and a tier 1 will learn a lot from a game with a tier 1 or a tier E. No need to play the Masters. Just look at their games if you want to learn from them.
You already can rapidly get a pretty decently accurate ranking if you play 3 games, unless you’re playing other unknown quantities. If I was new to this league, and I was pretty good at A&A, and I really wanted an accurate ranking because the PPG and ranking really mattered to me, then I’d challenge some tier E’s, 1’s, or 2’s, whoever will play me. You won’t have any trouble at all getting those games here. Guys like AeV play dozens per year. If you beat all 3, you’ll be a master. A 6.00 PPG. I think you guys are nitpicking, and your perceived problems aren’t even problems. There’s an answer to every one of them without changing the system, honestly.
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With an “ELO” type system, doesn’t everyone start at 0 and have to play quite a few games to ever get to a high ranking? Like I illustrated in that last paragraph, here you can do it in 1 game. And get a full ranking with 3.
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@gamerman01 I’d be up for playing anyone at 100:1 odds (against me of course) for $100 if I lose, $10k if I win – escrowed. I might even do 50:1.
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Yeah, but the master isn’t going to play you if he’d only win $100 from you if he could play someone else at 10:1 and win $1,000 for the same amount of effort.
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Guys, if you’re not an E, a Master is absolutely taking candy from a baby. Shoot, Adam eats E’s for lunch.
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On top of that, the 8 seed in the tournament always gets destroyed by the 1 seed, if I err not. The 8 seed is normally an E.
Absolutely no disrespect meant to anyone, I do like entertaining your points of view and ideas, and often they are quite entertaining. But from here at the top of the mountain, I also have the absolute prerogative to reject any and all ideas. But I will continue respecting you all unless you are toxic or mean, and we haven’t had any of those on the site for years, to my knowledge lol
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@gamerman01 @surfer back to surfer’s suggestion. It’s not that bad if you allowed one game pr top tier player against a low/unranked player. I think it can be a neet addition to the ranking and s fair comptomize to silent the discussion.
@gamerman01 and if you are worried it will mess up your bookkeeping just have this game reporter at deg 31. Or make note at the name. It’s fairly easy to keep track of, isnt it?
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OK, Oysteilo is a heavyweight. Yes, I thought about making a little notation, and no, it wouldn’t be a big problem, you’re right.
If for example, you Oysteilo, wanted to play a newcomer who was tier 3, I could count the game and not count the 4 points and make a notation. Until that player reaches 3 games and is probably no longer tier 3 any more. But then we need to define some more things, and I fear this opens a can of worms.
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@oysteilo i hate that autocorrect when i try to write English with Norwegian keyboard
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Now what would be the limits - they would all have to be defined. We’re not going there. I have a better idea. As you all could have all along, write me about your situation (I’m a high tier E trying to make the playoffs and this new guy wants to play me in league but I don’t want 4 points dropping my score, what can we do?) and I could make an exception for you. AD isn’t the only guy who gets exceptions. Then it wouldn’t even have to be limited to 1 game a year, a tier E or M could do several if he wants them to count toward 8 league games but not lower his score.
Now even with this exception, we’ll see how many tier E’s and M’s actually spend their time with newcomers.
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Are the top leaguers wanting to rack up wins against new or rusty (like me) players?
Considering that there is no money on the table in a league game, seems like far too much is being read into the ranking system.
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If I make a new rule like 1 game per year that you don’t get a score for, it’s one more thing for all league participants to learn about, and I think it could open the floodgates. Let me know when this hypothetical situation of a newcomer getting turned down for games happens. I never hear about it.
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@jim010 said in League General Discussion Thread:
Are the top leaguers wanting to rack up wins against new or rusty (like me) players?
Considering that there is no money on the table in a league game, seems like far too much is being read into the ranking system.
No, top players want to have fun playing games, and can easily smash a tier 1 or E, they don’t need a 2 or 3 to get their jollies.
Thank you, well said. We are very analytical people, so we analyze everything to death.
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Somebody help me remember - who was the guy AndrewAAGamer played that he said would normally be like a tier E but might never play 3 games? I could take a look at that.
Or he knew of someone else who played a guy who should be a tier E or something? -
Reading a text can come across not in a way that was intended. I am not trying to sound condescending or the like. But with that being said, the league is all about bragging rights and nothing else, no? Otherwise everybody would be playing in the open games section for fun. I lost 3 straight in the league, and I’m out now. Want to play for fun and fine tune my tactics without the pressure of a humiliation for everyone to see in the rankings.
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LOL close. Yes, if you don’t want to be humiliated with your sucky record up in lights, you should stay away from the league lol
The league is about everyone seeing your record, so yeah
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@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:
Somebody help me remember - who was the guy AndrewAAGamer played that he said would normally be like a tier E but might never play 3 games? I could take a look at that.
Majikforce
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For a little extra, Jim, I could literally make your name flash in the spreadsheet until the end of time…
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@jim010 You might want to study some games by the top players. Triple A is amazing that way as you can review an entire game move by move using the history function and the “next” button.
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Thanks Andrew, majikforce is a high tier 1 right now, so no problem, right? Or are you saying majikforce played somebody who was under-rated…?
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