L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

i think this is not a big issue, in the terms of affecting the game,

its just an example of a thing that can be pretty messy in some other situations, and I think its not good we make a habiit of these move.

as for me, its almost the same, it doesnt bother me, but i think the principle is not good

I agree principally. But sending 2 inf from Tokyo is ok then? Then the battle is the same. My intent was to go in with 3 land units in Kwangtung.

yeah ,it seems u ve send them from kiangsi to kwangtung, and ur cruiser didnt shoot?

but it seems also u ve send units from tokyo to kiangsi in ncm?

ah it shot, because u had a marine ok

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

so

1. u ve sent 2 inf from kiangsi to kwangtung in CM

2. u ve sent 2 units (?) from tokyo to kiangsi in NCM

is this correct?

and whats the problem here,

whats not good?

u want to send units from tokyo to kwangtung?

and those from kiangsi to to hunan or anhwe?

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

i think this is not a big issue, in the terms of affecting the game,

its just an example of a thing that can be pretty messy in some other situations, and I think its not good we make a habiit of these move.

as for me, its almost the same, it doesnt bother me, but i think the principle is not good

I agree principally. But sending 2 inf from Tokyo is ok then? Then the battle is the same. My intent was to go in with 3 land units in Kwangtung.

yeah ,it seems u ve send them from kiangsi to kwangtung, and ur cruiser didnt shoot?

but it seems also u ve send units from tokyo to kiangsi in ncm?

The cr did shore bombardment. The marine attacked from the cr.

I missed the tr in Tokyo that should’ve landed units in Kwangtung.

Instead I used the 2 inf from Kiangsi.

I find it not at all dubious to change those 2 inf for the 2 from Tokyo.

Of course I would like to stack up in Kwangsi as much as possible.

I didn’t attack Kwangtung with 5 land units, but 3. That was my intent and the battle itself is how I wanted it. Simply an issue of which land units to use.

Anyway, it’s probably not a real issue, since Kwangsi has a ton of air and likely not attackable anyway, but this is how I’d like to have moved.

If you do not allow it, I’ll respect that and land 1 inf, 1 art in Kiangsi instead.

[Amon-Sul]

what units did u bring from tokyo ? inf and art?

so instead of having 2 inf in kwangtung, and 1 inf 1 art in kiangsi

u want to have

1 art 1 inf in kwangtgung, and 2 inf in kiangsi?

just a switch?

[Amon-Sul]

or you want to send 2 inf from kiangsi to kwangsi (instead of sending them to kwantgung)

and 1 inf 1 art from tokyo to kwantgung?

IS THIS IT?

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

or you want to send 2 inf from kiangsi to kwangsi (instead of sending them to kwantgung)

and 1 inf 1 art from tokyo to kwantgung?

IS THIS IT?

Yes, but correct that with 2 inf from Tokyo instead, so the battle was correct.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

or you want to send 2 inf from kiangsi to kwangsi (instead of sending them to kwantgung)

and 1 inf 1 art from tokyo to kwantgung?

IS THIS IT?

Yes, but correct that with 2 inf from Tokyo instead, so the battle was correct.

no its ok then, u can send inf art too, since its even stronger then what u had, i have no problem with taht

[Amon-Sul]

u can not send weaker force, only stronger or the same

and 1 inf 1 art is not weaker then 2 inf

[trulpen]

Thanks! Sending the art would be more risk. I go on your line of trying to preserve the battle. I’m ok with that.

[Amon-Sul]

its totally ok i misunderstood what u did, please wrrite it other time so i know, i did not knew u had more units to bring from tokyo, i realized u finished a battle in kwangtung and wanted to move that guy after the battle, and to send less units or weaker units there, since u should probably win with less units too

i apologise if u found offended i have confidence in u and u re defeinitely not a cheater

[trulpen]

US has green light then. Last game post, please.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

Thanks! Sending the art would be more risk. I go on your line of trying to preserve the battle. I’m ok with that.

u can send it, since 1 inf 1 art, is not weaker then 2 inf u send from kiangsi

so u can not send only 1 art, but 1 art 1 inf, are even stronger then 2 inf so its totally ok

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

its totally ok i misunderstood what u did, please wrrite it other time so i know, i did not knew u had more units to bring from tokyo, i realized u finished a battle in kwangtung and wanted to move that guy after the battle, and to send less units or weaker units there, since u should probably win with less units too

i apologise if u found offended i have confidence in u and u re defeinitely not a cheater

Then I understand. I agree, sending less units would be wrong and should not be allowed.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

Thanks! Sending the art would be more risk. I go on your line of trying to preserve the battle. I’m ok with that.

u can send it, since 1 inf 1 art, is not weaker then 2 inf u send from kiangsi

so u can not send only 1 art, but 1 art 1 inf, are even stronger then 2 inf so its totally ok

Ok, I’ll send a last game post with that correction.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

its totally ok i misunderstood what u did, please wrrite it other time so i know, i did not knew u had more units to bring from tokyo, i realized u finished a battle in kwangtung and wanted to move that guy after the battle, and to send less units or weaker units there, since u should probably win with less units too

i apologise if u found offended i have confidence in u and u re defeinitely not a cheater

Then I understand. I agree, sending less units would be wrong and should not be allowed.

and then i looked at game log, u had 1/9 in rd 1 xd and cruiser missed, so it proves my point, but not in this situation in the end

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #4 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+10) BM3:

Thanks! Sending the art would be more risk. I go on your line of trying to preserve the battle. I’m ok with that.

u can send it, since 1 inf 1 art, is not weaker then 2 inf u send from kiangsi

so u can not send only 1 art, but 1 art 1 inf, are even stronger then 2 inf so its totally ok

Ok, I’ll send a last game post with that correction.

so u can send 2 units from japan there , but both with combat value (no aa gun)

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 2 carriers and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung
        1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
        1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to 36 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 45 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Dutch New Guinea
        2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 battleship moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 61 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 fighter moved from 36 Sea Zone to Java
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
              Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
              Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kweichow
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Kwangtung
        2 bombers moved from Kwangsi to India
        1 fighter moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
        1 fighter moved from Hunan to Kwangtung
        1 marine moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
        1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangtung

    Combat - Japanese
        Strategic bombing raid in India
                AA fire in India : 0/2 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            Bombing raid in India rolls: 4,3 and causes: 7 damage to unit: factory_major
            Bombing raid in India causes 7 damage total. 
        Battle in Borneo
        Battle in 61 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 61 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Sumatra
        Battle in Celebes
        Battle in Kweichow
            Japanese attack with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kweichow
            Japanese win, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
        Battle in Kwangtung
            Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour
                Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Kwangtung, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 2 : 1/9 hits, 4,00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 infantry in Kwangtung, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
                Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers in Kwangtung, round 3 : 4/9 hits, 4,00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 infantry in Kwangtung, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kwangtung
            Japanese win, taking Kwangtung from UK_Pacific with 4 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 marine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for British: 2 infantry
        Battle in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
            ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC lost in 45 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser
        Battle in Dutch New Guinea
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 1 marine
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 1 marine in Dutch New Guinea, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 marine owned by the ANZAC lost in Dutch New Guinea
            Japanese win, taking Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 marine

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 carrier moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 61 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Dutch New Guinea to 45 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 41 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
        3 artilleries, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
        2 bombers moved from India to Kwangsi
        1 aaGun moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
        3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Hopei
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
        1 artillery moved from Anhwe to Kiangsi
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi
        1 fighter moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kweichow to Kwangsi
        4 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
        1 armour moved from Jehol to Kiangsi
        1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
        1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 carriers placed in 6 Sea Zone
        3 infantry placed in Kiangsu

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 50 PUs; end with 53 PUs
        Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 63 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 41 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 45 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 45 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 41 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Japan: 1 artillery
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Japan: 1 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : -0,17
Chinese : -0,33
UK_Pacific : -1,00
AA fire in India : : -0,33
Japanese : -4,00

Savegame

[trulpen]

Go yankees, go! :flag-us:

[Amon-Sul]

yankees are not at war its strange to play when u re neutral xd

[Amon-Sul]

heavy thinking