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[gamerman01]

lol I was waiting for someone to spice this up

[DizzKneeLand33]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

No hurt, I’m just kind of tired of defending my system for so many years.
It’s not chess, it’s not starcraft, there’s weaknesses in every system, but frankly I think this system is dynamite.

Length of game, I meant in hours of effort, not in how many years of correspondence - again, apples and oranges, you guys! lol

Again, this system is really good. The problem is that it discourages play between the ranks. Gamer, honestly, I think this only happened (as an issue) when the M was introduced, and then there were games where beating someone wasn’t as good as losing to someone. Maybe the losing to M equals beating a 3. I’ll have to look, but this change (5 years ago or so???) was the bad part. Otherwise, it’s really cool.

[gamerman01]

I really appreciate that, Dizz, again, I know some will hate this, but I don’t think M’s have any business playing a 3 in league play - play in the play boardgames section or something if you must

[DizzKneeLand33]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

I have played thousands and thousands of games of chess, so I totally understand ELO and what you guys are arguing, just so you know. How many hours of thought was put into that 55 move chess game? I’m no grandmaster, but I’ve never had a chess game come anywhere near the level of effort of an A&A game

Okay, you don’t understand old correspondence chess at all. I mean, there could be 200 hours in a game lol.

Of course now since the late 90’s there are computers. Sad days.

[gamerman01]

And I hear you on the adding one more tier - 5 is a lot - pluses and minuses

[DizzKneeLand33]

@DizzKneeLand33 said in Post League Game Results Here:

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

I have played thousands and thousands of games of chess, so I totally understand ELO and what you guys are arguing, just so you know. How many hours of thought was put into that 55 move chess game? I’m no grandmaster, but I’ve never had a chess game come anywhere near the level of effort of an A&A game

Okay, you don’t understand old correspondence chess at all. I mean, there could be 200 hours in a game lol.

Of course now since the late 90’s there are computers. Sad days.

There could be 200 hours on a move. LOL

[gamerman01]

OK, that’s all I wanted to know, is how many hours put into those games, yes
LOL what else could you guys do, play with sticks? ;) ;)

[DizzKneeLand33]

But none of this is as complicated as trying to figure out how to put your own fishing line on a reel, when you’re a tax accountant lmao. bb soon. :D

[gamerman01]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

And I hear you on the adding one more tier - 5 is a lot - pluses and minuses

Big plus is, playas like Adam, AD, and Oysteilo are in a class of their own, not mixed with the 4.5’s

[trulpen]

You’re excused. ;)

[gamerman01]

Before I took over, league ranking was by straight win percentage, gents.

[trulpen]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

Before I took over, league ranking was by straight win percentage, gents.

This system is immensely better than that!

[gamerman01]

:blush: Thanks, yes it is, just wanted to offer a little historical perspective since I’m getting to be an old grizzled veteran, here…

[gamerman01]

It’s also pretty nice to be able to see who’s played who, and who won, and every year separate, with a clean slate each year…

[DizzKneeLand33]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

And I hear you on the adding one more tier - 5 is a lot - pluses and minuses

Big plus is, playas like Adam, AD, and Oysteilo are in a class of their own, not mixed with the 4.5’s

You know what might be cool and alleviate some of this speculation as to why certain high rate jimmies don’t play lower players? What if we had some kind of team game where it was one of the big 3 versus all the rest of us. Not for league points or anything, just for fun. This would allow a lot of players to learn a lot about the game. It’s kind of like those old USSR versus the Rest Of The World chess matches, but in this case the “rest of the world” would all, well, not be in the same class as the top rate.

Just a thought. I mean, the high rates not playing the low rates has been an A&A issue for well over 20 years now. It doesn’t matter the ranking system. Gamer’s system does predict results very, very well, so that part is impressive, at least to me. It would just be cool if we had more knowledge passed around. The strategy boards aren’t what they used to be.

[gamerman01]

Great ideas and thanks for the affirmation, Dizz

[gamerman01]

One of the coolest things about A&A is the multiplayer aspect, and here we almost always play it 1v1 :)

Garg used to host 2v2 tourneys… spicy!

[axis-dominion]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

AD, I can ease the suffering a bit by giving you 2 points for ABH instead of 0, since he was tier 1 a few years ago. In case he doesn’t finish 3 games this year…

oh haha, appreciated gamer! and come on man, come back and play a few games this year!

[ksmckay]

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

I hear you, and I’ve listened to these arguments for years. This is my philosophy, however. League ranked play is not the place to learn from a much stronger player - play outside of league ranked play if that’s what you want. As many hours as this game takes to play, a tier M really doesn’t need to be messing around with 2’s and 3’s, frankly there’s such a huge difference in ability they’re not even competitive games. League ranked play is intended for competitive play

Very well said. I agree 100%.

I’ve never had ANYONE else pipe up and volunteer to handle all these calculations, updates, and rankings, so until that happens, my system stands.

So much talk of an ELO system or something else. Nothing keeps someone from doing a beta in the background. If someone is that interested in an alternative and thinks its that much better, than take the time and implement it and we can look at things a year from now.

[trulpen]

It’s a very good idea. It’s fully possible to do an alternative ranking-system that’s inofficial, just for comparison. Takes a bit of time and effort of course, but could well be worth it.