L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3

[trulpen]

The question is rather then “do I feel lucky, punk?”. But maybe this is still not the time for desperados…

[ksmckay]

Sorry to assume, sure it feels tempting after seeing a bad roll. And if you are feeling desperate (reasonable) then it might seem like a good idea but a smaller German air force is worth any cost, particularly us subs and air. But yeah take your time and do whatever. I suppose if I completely whiffed round 2 I might retreat round 3.

[trulpen]

Nah, you’re right. If I was really lucky, it’d be worth it, but there’s too much risk involved. Think it was a pretty close call, but there’ll be no scramble.

[trulpen]

@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:

Sorry to assume, sure it feels tempting after seeing a bad roll.

Tried not to take that into account. After reflecting on it I realize your argument is correct. Assuming is ok.

How do you think a situation with scramble option should be handled? Keep rolled dice, or re-roll the full battle if the assumption was wrong?

[ksmckay]

I dunno, if I had thought there was a chance you would scramble I would have waited. I don’t know what the official rule would be but id probably say keep what’s been rolled. Gives an advantage to the scrambler but the other person could have just waited and avoided the situation.

[trulpen]

Is it ok if I don’t care so much about italian NCM, but adjust along with the G NCM?

[ksmckay]

Yeah that’s fine. No German combat moves I’m worried about affecting things too much.

[trulpen]

@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:

I dunno, if I had thought there was a chance you would scramble I would have waited. I don’t know what the official rule would be but id probably say keep what’s been rolled. Gives an advantage to the scrambler but the other person could have just waited and avoided the situation.

Think that would be the ruling, but if we’re in agreement, then no ruling is necessary. I’d say that it’s actually more fair to re-roll, since the defender shouldn’t be aware of the dice. And why you didn’t wait was because 6-8 h of likely unnecessary prolongation.

[ksmckay]

Yeah, I agree but I guess that is something that should be discussed beforehand. Something I probably will discuss in fact in the future. But knowing it was middle of night I didn’t want to wait since I had time. But that’s something easier to discuss before the fact and simple enough to ask at the beginning.

[ksmckay]

Ok I’m out. Have fun with Germany. Looks tricky to me

[trulpen]

@ksmckay said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:

Yeah, I agree but I guess that is something that should be discussed beforehand. Something I probably will discuss in fact in the future. But knowing it was middle of night I didn’t want to wait since I had time. But that’s something easier to discuss before the fact and simple enough to ask at the beginning.

I suggest we treat scrambles in that way. Intercepts are not needed, I think.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 19

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians repair damage of 1x factory_minor; Remaining resources: 9 PUs; 
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Shan State: 8 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 38 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 38 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Italians buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Albania
        1 armour moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
        1 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
              Italians take Normandy Bordeaux from Americans

    Combat - Italians
        Italians creates battle in territory 38 Sea Zone
        Battle in 38 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 submarine
            French defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 38 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 38 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Albania
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber and 1 mech_infantry in Albania, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Italians and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Albania
            Italians win, taking Albania from British with 2 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 bomber moved from Albania to Western Germany
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from France to Western Germany
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from France to Western Germany

    Place Units - Italians
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Shan State: 8 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 38 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 20 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 42 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6,4,6,2,6,3,6
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
        Italians collect 4 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 4 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : 0,83
British : 0,67
French : -0,33

Savegame

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: French round 19

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 19

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
        1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from South Australia to Queensland
        2 destroyers moved from 43 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Guam to Queensland
        1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from 20 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 factory_minor placed in Queensland
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in New South Wales
        1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 26 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 infantry moved from 104 Sea Zone to Spain

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[trulpen]

May I change my purchase with G? I was first setting up a position and then I realized that Berlin is in serious jeopardy, since I can’t block US landing in Denmark. Ergo need a tougher defense in Denmark and therefore an ab there.

I bought 24 inf, 2 fig. I’d like to exchange 1 fig and 3 inf for 1 ab and 1 mech.

I trust you’re ok with this, but if you’re not I’ll just have to completely change the NCMs in EU.

[trulpen]

Lol, nvm.

Just took back Denmark. Can’t build an ab there and can’t land air. Oh my…

[trulpen]

Need to keep the fleet in z113 then.

Thought I could attack Leningrad with that tr-inf, but seems I couldn’t, unless sacrificing the tr, which surely isn’t rational.

This is far stretched, but would you allow me to cancel the tr to z115? I don’t care about the dice, even if the russian inf had hit on defense, this would be my choice anyway, prefering to maybe sacrifice a fig instead. The 33 % risk makes it rational, I believe.

I’ll let the tr and inf stay as CM. If you allow the change, the tr would instead be in z112 and two more inf to Sweden.

[trulpen]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X+3) vs ksmckay (A) BM3:

two more inf to Sweden.

Not completely sure about this, but that’s my initial prospect.

[trulpen]

And of course would’ve attacked with 2 sb in Leningrad instead of that fig from Yugo. Don’t think that’s a big problem, since there were overkill air support most everywhere and that change would improve the odds in Leningrad.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 20

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 20

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 2 fighters and 24 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
        2 infantry moved from Smolensk to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Vologda to Nenetsia
              Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
        1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Belarus
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Novgorod
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Bulgaria
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
        1 fighter moved from Yugoslavia to Holland Belgium
        3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Holland Belgium
        1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Denmark
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Denmark
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Belarus
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkey
              Germans take Turkey from British
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
              Germans take Northwest Persia from British
        1 mech_infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Greece
              Germans take Greece from British

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the British lost in 112 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
            Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
        Battle in Novgorod
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 3,83 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 1 bomber, 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
        Battle in Denmark
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Denmark, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Denmark
            Germans win, taking Denmark from British with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Belarus
            Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Belarus, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
            Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Bulgaria
            Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Bulgaria, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Bulgaria
            Germans win, taking Bulgaria from British with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Bulgaria to Northern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Bulgaria to Western Germany
        1 aaGun, 24 artilleries and 34 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Northwest Persia
        3 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
        8 artilleries moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Urals to Smolensk
        1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Western Germany
        1 bomber moved from Belarus to Rostov
        2 bombers moved from Kweichow to Rostov
        EDIT: 4 aaGuns, 1 artillery, 14 infantry and 1 marine moved from Southern Italy to Southern France
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Sweden
        1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from France to Western Germany
        4 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Finland
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Smolensk
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun and 5 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Germany
        1 destroyer moved from 113 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
        3 fighters moved from Denmark to 113 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Smolensk
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Baltic States
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Baltic States
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        9 mech_infantrys moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Smolensk to Baltic States
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        EDIT: 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Smolensk to Baltic States
        2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Sweden
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        2 fighters and 8 infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 infantry placed in Yugoslavia
        1 infantry placed in Germany
        3 infantry placed in Russia
        3 infantry placed in Western Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Volgograd
        3 infantry placed in Rostov
        2 infantry placed in Ukraine

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1,3,4,5,3,5,3
        Germans collect 67 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 67 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 74 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 94 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : 0,83
British : 1,33
Americans : 0,33
Russians : -0,67

Savegame

[trulpen]

To clarify: Would like to change the position of the tr in z115 and the fig in Baltic to z113. One sb in WG would then end up in Rostov. 2 mech in Baltic would be in Smolensk. 2 tank in Smolensk would be in Bryansk. Maybe two more inf to Sweden (have to look more closely).