L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[trulpen]

Scramble sz92?

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

i have an impression that ur usual games with axis do not look like this one xd

No, they usually don’t. But it’s mostly because I have to act according to your strategy. No one plays like you do. :)

[trulpen]

I will assume no scramble, since it’s bad odds for the defender.

If you wanted to scramble, I’ll re-roll the whole battle.

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TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Cyprus to 99 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from Crete to 99 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria
        1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Tunisia
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 92 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 92 Sea Zone

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Algeria
        Battle in 92 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 92 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 92 Sea Zone
            Italians win, taking Algeria from Americans with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Tunisia
            Italians attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Americans defend with 1 armour
                Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 armour in Tunisia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tunisia
            Italians win, taking Tunisia from Americans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from 92 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 aaGun moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        2 armour and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk

    Place Units - Italians
        1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2
        Italians collect 13 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 13 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs
        Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 21 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians : -1,33
Americans : 0,17

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[Amon-Sul]

wait i ll look at the map

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I will assume no scramble, since it’s bad odds for the defender.

If you wanted to scramble, I’ll re-roll the whole battle.

u should of wait me a few min, i was online

so what u saw bad dices and u then decided we will re roll if i scramble?

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I will assume no scramble, since it’s bad odds for the defender.

If you wanted to scramble, I’ll re-roll the whole battle.

the standard procedure is that the dices scored are kept, so its a risk for the attacker. u should of know that

[Amon-Sul]

otherwise what u scored good dices its ok, u scored bad ones, we re roll

no no, that is not the way

[Amon-Sul]

i WONT SCRAMBLE

BUT NEXT TIME IF U GO FOR THAT TYPE OF ATTACK WITHOUT ASKING ME THE RISKS IS YOURS

u score bad dices
ur problem
we dont re roll it

cheers

i have to go

[trulpen]

Sorry. Was in a rush. Had to run off for running practise and wanted to have Italy ready for you.

[trulpen]

I wrote in advance (I would never re-roll on my part), so it’s actually to the defenders advantage if good dice was scored and at the same time not being able to capitalize on bad dice. I think it’s a correct procedure and usually do it like that with scramble assumptions. It’s very different from causalty selection. It’s important for me that we have a mutual agreement about procedures, so I’ll avoid assumption in the future.

[trulpen]

I’m off for atleast 2 h from now. Can look here on the mobile earlier.

[Amon-Sul]

I am sorry I assumed wrong one thing, u said if u score good dice we re roll the same

But u must know that according to league rules ur rushing into scramble battle is ur risk alone, and u have to bear the concenquences of it. So no re roll, unless i accept. Since i dont like to cause trouble for players, i wont ask it, i wont scramble as i wouldnt before knowing the dice,

But against some other players u ll maybe wont be that luckY.

If u want to hasten do it. But u must bear the risks.

And the moderators cant help here. Its a clear rule. Only the good will of the defender can help. As i say its not so much about this particular situation, as its for the future.

P. S.
U wrote a mssg here and dice we rolled at the same minute so its impossible to know did u see the dice first and then wrote the msg.

But i trust u so far to be pretty sure u were honest, but as i say in some play off or other games u ll probably get, sanked for nothing.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Sorry. Was in a rush. Had to run off for running practise and wanted to have Italy ready for you.

I have family issues. And no need to rush anyway. The, game, will be finished sooner or later xd

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I wrote in advance (I would never re-roll on my part), so it’s actually to the defenders advantage if good dice was scored and at the same time not being able to capitalize on bad dice. I think it’s a correct procedure and usually do it like that with scramble assumptions. It’s very different from causalty selection. It’s important for me that we have a mutual agreement about procedures, so I’ll avoid assumption in the future.

How its to my advantage since if have to re roll?

U score good dices, my advantage.
U score bad dicea, your advantage.

So its null.

But the risk is the attackers. Always.

The same was for me when i was attaxcking sz 54 with jap to speed up the game

[Amon-Sul]

So next time u dont have to ask me for scramble, but what u score u scored. And i decide upon scrambling knowing rd 1 dices.

Cus tehnically no dices should be re rolled, we can just add my scrambled figs.

The dices can, not be nullified (except that case maybe when i rolled as the, defender by accident)

[trulpen]

Ok, that’s a good way. I’m game.

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to 33 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        3 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Queensland to 33 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        3 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 destroyer and 2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 unit repaired.
        7 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        7 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Russia
        7 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        2 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 112 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 armour moved from Bryansk to Russia
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Tambov
        1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Archangel
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
        7 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Russia
        4 artilleries moved from Bryansk to Russia
        5 infantry moved from Bryansk to Russia
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Rostov

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Normandy Bordeaux
                AA fire in Normandy Bordeaux : 1/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits
            1 bomber killed by AA
            Bombing raid in Normandy Bordeaux causes 0 damage total. 
        Battle in Holland Belgium
            Germans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Americans defend with 1 marine
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 0/7 hits, 3,17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 marine in Holland Belgium, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Holland Belgium
                Germans roll dice for 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 3/6 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 marine in Holland Belgium, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 marine owned by the Americans lost in Holland Belgium
            Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 marine
        Battle in Tambov
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tambov, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tambov, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Tambov, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tambov
                Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Tambov, round 4 : 1/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Tambov
            Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
        Battle in Rostov
            Germans attack with 7 artilleries, 3 bombers, 11 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 6 artilleries and 5 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 7 artilleries, 3 bombers, 11 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in Rostov, round 2 : 7/25 hits, 8,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 5 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 3/11 hits, 3,67 expected hits
                5 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 artilleries owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
                Germans roll dice for 7 artilleries, 3 bombers, 8 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in Rostov, round 3 : 11/22 hits, 7,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 artilleries in Rostov, round 3 : 3/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                4 artilleries owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 7 artilleries, 3 bombers, 5 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
            Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 6 artilleries and 5 infantry
        Battle in Archangel
            Germans attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Archangel, round 3 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Archangel
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Archangel, round 4 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Archangel, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Archangel
            Germans win, taking Archangel from Russians with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Smolensk
            Germans attack with 7 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 7 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 1,17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Smolensk
            Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Russia
            Germans attack with 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 7 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 5 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys in Russia, round 2 : 6/24 hits, 7,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 7 infantry in Russia, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2,33 expected hits
                6 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Russia
                Germans roll dice for 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys in Russia, round 3 : 5/21 hits, 6,50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Russia, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Russia
            Germans captures 30PUs while taking Russians capital
            Germans converts factory_major into different units
            Germans win, taking Russia from Russians with 5 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 7 infantry
        triggerRussiansDestroyPUsGermans: Setting destroysPUs to true for playerAttachment attached to Russians

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Russia
        2 aaGuns moved from Bryansk to Rostov
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Russia
        1 fighter moved from Archangel to Novgorod
        2 bombers moved from Rostov to Ukraine
        1 bomber moved from Rostov to Western Germany
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tambov to Ukraine
        1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to 112 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine

    Place Units - Germans
        1 bomber and 1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
        3 infantry placed in France
        2 submarines placed in 112 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 59 PUs; end with 89 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 94 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 96 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 106 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -7,00
Americans : 0,33
AA fire in Normandy Bordeaux : : 0,83
Russians : 1,67

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