L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

lem is that u can not now which of the air units did score, the ones that stay or the ones u pulled off. so

but u scored 6 hits, and if it wasnt from inf, than it doesnt matter u still could remove them, since even if they missed u would have 2 hits

but did inf missed?

[trulpen]

Both inf missed, so it would matter. I have a good system for correction, which is important especially if there were bad rolls.

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

ut u scored 6 hits, and if it wasnt from inf, than it doesnt matter u still could remove them, since even if they missed u would have 2 hits
but did inf missed?

and it can be tricky since ur altering the number of figs needed on defense after u have seen the dice results

but i trust u it was on oversight

so i u can take care of dice purity then np

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Both inf missed, so it would matter. I have a good system for correction, which is important especially if there were bad rolls.

u should not make habbit from correctioning battles ;) not because of me, but some harsher players

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Both inf missed, so it would matter. I have a good system for correction, which is important especially if there were bad rolls.

how would it matter then, u score 6 hits with air units, u want to remove 3, (let s say they all scored) u still have 3 hits left and my 2 units are destroyed

u have 1 hit more actually

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

u should not make habbit from correctioning battles ;) not because of me, but some harsher players

Yes, I agree. So I’ll abstain from it now, despite the over-sight.

[Amon-Sul]

so if there is no problem with dice, make ur edit

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

how would it matter then, u score 6 hits with air units, u want to remove 3, (let s say they all scored) u still have 3 hits left and my 2 units are destroyed
u have 1 hit more actually

Just for the theory of it. I checked the specific battle.

4 fig hit 2.
4 tac hit 4.

Taking away 2 fig and 1 tac leaves.

2 fig, reducing 2 dice. We don’t know if it were the two hits or two misses. It would be a roll of 2D4 (four-sided dice) were we look at the specific numbers, like 1-2 are the hits and 3-4 are the misses. So if that roll was 3 and 4, the figs staying would both miss.

3 tacs hit 3 though, so the above roll would be unnecessary.

The problem here is though that there is information about the result. It hasn’t affected my question (just thought about what would’ve been rational in Kweichow and what I’d like to land with in sz6, with some extra on the side since I wouldn’t know if I’d lose air in Siberia), since I didn’t look into the specific battle, but I’d say that’s a problem.

So we can skip it.

Cheers :)

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

3 tacs hit 3 though, so the above roll would be unnecessary.

but if u scored 6 hits with ur air, and removing 3 of the 8 air it doenst matter if those 3 madde a hit SINCE U NEED 2 HITS ALL TOGETHER AND EVEN 6 MINUS 3 IS 3

so no rolling needed

[trulpen]

That’s very true. So you’re simply saying it’s ok I do a change? Appreciate it! Will get back with a new map then.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

how would it matter then, u score 6 hits with air units, u want to remove 3, (let s say they all scored) u still have 3 hits left and my 2 units are destroyed
u have 1 hit more actually

Just for the theory of it. I checked the specific battle.

4 fig hit 2.
4 tac hit 4.

Taking away 2 fig and 1 tac leaves.

2 fig, reducing 2 dice. We don’t know if it were the two hits or two misses. It would be a roll of 2D4 (four-sided dice) were we look at the specific numbers, like 1-2 are the hits and 3-4 are the misses. So if that roll was 3 and 4, the figs staying would both miss.

3 tacs hit 3 though, so the above roll would be unnecessary.

The problem here is though that there is information about the result. It hasn’t affected my question (just thought about what would’ve been rational in Kweichow and what I’d like to land with in sz6, with some extra on the side since I wouldn’t know if I’d lose air in Siberia), since I didn’t look into the specific battle, but I’d say that’s a problem.

So we can skip it.

Cheers :)

but u didnt loose air in siberia so i m confused

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

That’s very true. So you’re simply saying it’s ok I do a change? Appreciate it! Will get back with a new map then.

just do it

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but u didnt loose air in siberia so i m confused

Just trying to think like I would’ve thought if no battles had been done.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but u didnt loose air in siberia so i m confused

Just trying to think like I would’ve thought if no battles had been done.

its ok

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Japanese
        Japanese buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 7 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 

    Combat Move - Japanese
        1 unit repaired.
        1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Siberia
        1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        5 artilleries and 9 infantry moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
        1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsi to 20 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
        1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
        1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu
              Japanese take Kansu from Chinese
        1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
              Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
        2 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Malaya
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Siam
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Java
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hunan to Siam
        1 bomber moved from Hunan to Malaya
        1 bomber moved from Hunan to Siam
        1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kweichow
        1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kweichow
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kweichow
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kweichow

    Combat - Japanese
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 destroyer
            Americans defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
            Japanese win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
        Battle in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 42 Sea Zone
            Japanese win, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
        Battle in Kweichow
            Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
            Chinese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Kweichow, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5,00 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Kweichow
            Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
        Battle in Java
            Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Java, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits
                ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Java, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Java
            Japanese win, taking Java from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry
        Battle in Siam
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            British defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser in Siam, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siam, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Siam, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Siam
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siam, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 2,00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Siam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Siam
            Japanese win, taking Siam from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 2 mech_infantrys
        Battle in Siberia
            Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 bomber; Russians defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siberia, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Siberia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Siberia
            Japanese win, taking Siberia from Russians with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
        Battle in Kwangsi
            Japanese attack with 6 artilleries and 9 infantry
            Chinese defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese roll dice for 6 artilleries and 9 infantry in Kwangsi, round 2 : 4/15 hits, 4,50 expected hits
                Chinese roll dice for 1 artillery in Kwangsi, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Chinese lost in Kwangsi
            Japanese win, taking Kwangsi from Chinese with 6 artilleries and 8 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Chinese: 1 artillery
        Battle in Malaya
            Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
            UK_Pacific defend with 1 harbour; Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Malaya
            Japanese win, taking Malaya from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Japanese
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of French Indo China from French to Japanese
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siam to 37 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 20 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Malaya to Borneo
        1 armour moved from Hunan to Chahar
        1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
        1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hunan
        1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
        1 bomber moved from Siam to Borneo
        1 marine moved from Guam to 21 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
        1 marine moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
        2 carriers moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Hunan to Anhwe
        1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
        4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siberia to 6 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 19 Sea Zone to Japan
        1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Kiangsi
        1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Hopei
        2 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Kweichow to Anhwe
        EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Hopei to 6 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
        2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
        1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Kiangsi to Anhwe

    Place Units - Japanese
        1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
        1 infantry placed in Japan
        3 infantry placed in Kiangsu
        3 infantry placed in Shantung

    Turn Complete - Japanese
        Japanese collect 57 PUs; end with 57 PUs
        Objective Japanese 6 Home Islands: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

ANZAC : 0,33
Chinese : 1,00
UK_Pacific : 0,67
Russians : 0,17
Japanese : 0,00

Savegame

[trulpen]

Shifted over one fig to sz6 then and did the China expansion, skipping putting tr’s in sz20 and then some block against UK in Kiangsi.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Shifted over one fig to sz6 then and did the China expansion, skipping putting tr’s in sz20 and then some block against UK in Kiangsi.

how so all that now, i thought u ll just do kweichow sz 6/japan movements

[trulpen]

I think one useless tr is ok to sacrifice for a plane. :)

Thinking of sz20.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Shifted over one fig to sz6 then and did the China expansion, skipping putting tr’s in sz20 and then some block against UK in Kiangsi.

so u first took shensi, then quitet and now u took it in the end?

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

nsi, then quitet and now u took it in the end?

so u dint pull 3 air from kweichow just one in the end??