L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I’d say this is the back-side of helping out the chinese. Somehow it didn’t work out in our first game. Have to look at why. Will stick it into my report. ;)

each decision, and stregthening on one side of the board, weakens the other one. it is logical.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I’d say this is the back-side of helping out the chinese. Somehow it didn’t work out in our first game. Have to look at why. Will stick it into my report. ;)

what i learn from this game in which u play a much better italy and better japan (also much tanks to that i ve lost my element of surprise) is that allies are overpowered.

the axis are so strong with all that japanese air, german tanks, italian central position, and they need only 6 VC in the Pacific, 4 they have and Hawaii and India are not so far away. As for Europe, even without Sea Lion, after cracking Russia its just Cairo left, and not far away from Volgograd too.

I now realise why the top players bid 10+ for the allies, i think it will just grow to 15-20, around 20 , maybe even 20+ for the allies.

So , that idea of Urs of playing axis without a bid against me, was totally unaceptable. how much i prefer and like to play the allies, i must say that in future, if i wont be able to get a proper bid, i will gladly take axis with some small allied bid for my opponent

[Amon-Sul]

sorry i wanted to say that the axis are too strong (overpowered)

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I’d say this is the back-side of helping out the chinese. Somehow it didn’t work out in our first game. Have to look at why. Will stick it into my report. ;)

and what specifically is the back side of helping chinese that u meantion here?

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I’d say this is the back-side of helping out the chinese. Somehow it didn’t work out in our first game. Have to look at why. Will stick it into my report. ;)

and what specifically is the back side of helping chinese that u meantion here?

That valuable battle power is withdrawn from Moscow.

If Russia had built only inf and maybe some art, then Germany could not stomp into Bryansk in G5 without any italian can-opening.

Now Germany is knocking on the doors of Moscow and I believe the defense of that stronghold now is very compromised.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

I’d say this is the back-side of helping out the chinese. Somehow it didn’t work out in our first game. Have to look at why. Will stick it into my report. ;)

and what specifically is the back side of helping chinese that u meantion here?

That valuable battle power is withdrawn from Moscow.

If Russia had built only inf and maybe some art, then Germany could not stomp into Bryansk in G5 without any italian can-opening.

Now Germany is knocking on the doors of Moscow and I believe the defense of that stronghold now is very compromised.

but could in G6 or G7 ?

[trulpen]

And of course, very significant, that 2 mech, 2 tank, 2 fig and 1 tac would be part of the defense. The air makes a great job at offensive defense, i e small battles.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but could in G6 or G7 ?

Depends a lot on how much reinforcements is coming in from Berlin. Not impossible, but much more difficult. The thing is that without being able to land air after moving in the stack, it’s usually more susceptible to counter-attack. Of course, you know this.

In BM3 Russia is usually to strong for Germany to just have it’s way with it. In OOB it’s a little bit different, since it’s so easy to exclude Russia from it’s NOs. 7 extra IPC per round from R2-3) to R in the beginning is a big issue for the situation in G5-7.

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 7 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Archangel
              Russians take Archangel from Germans
        1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Malaya
        2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Malaya
        6 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        2 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Rostov
            Russians attack with 6 artilleries and 9 infantry
            Germans defend with 8 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 9 infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 6/15 hits, 4.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 8 armour and 1 mech_infantry in Rostov, round 2 : 3/9 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Russians, 5 armour owned by the Germans and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
                Russians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 6 infantry in Rostov, round 3 : 5/12 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 armour in Rostov, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 armour owned by the Germans lost in Rostov
            Russians win, taking Rostov from Germans with 6 artilleries and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 8 armour and 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Malaya
            Russians attack with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Japanese defend with 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Malaya, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Malaya
            Russians win, taking Malaya from Japanese with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        4 infantry moved from Vologda to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Vologda
        8 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Samara
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Tambov
        1 aaGun, 6 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Tambov to Samara
        1 bomber moved from Amur to Western United States
        2 aaGuns and 16 infantry moved from Amur to Korea
        2 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Malaya to Yunnan
        1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        7 infantry placed in Russia
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs
        Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 28 PUs
        Trigger Russians 3 Siberia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 30 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -1.83
Russians : 3.00
Japanese : -0.33

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but could in G6 or G7 ?

Depends a lot on how much reinforcements is coming in from Berlin. Not impossible, but much more difficult. The thing is that without being able to land air after moving in the stack, it’s usually more susceptible to counter-attack. Of course, you know this.

In BM3 Russia is usually to strong for Germany to just have it’s way with it. In OOB it’s a little bit different, since it’s so easy to exclude Russia from it’s NOs. 7 extra IPC per round from R2-3) to R in the beginning is a big issue for the situation in G5-7.

even if i had those units russia would fall eventualy if germany is totally into it.

i ve decided to take my risks. we will see if they pay off

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

even if i had those units russia would fall eventualy if germany is totally into it.

i ve decided to take my risks. we will see if they pay off

Went very well in Rostov. Valuable tanks annihilated. So they weren’t immune after all. :) Well, we’ll see.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

even if i had those units russia would fall eventualy if germany is totally into it.

i ve decided to take my risks. we will see if they pay off

Went very well in Rostov. Valuable tanks annihilated. So they weren’t immune after all. :) Well, we’ll see.

i ve sent to many units, now my guys will be annihilated, but i was afraid of bad dice

[Amon-Sul]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Place Units - Russians
7 infantry placed in Russia
3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd

i think this game is interesting and fairly matched . we shall see what will the future bring us. the quality of play is pretty high and i am enjoying it :)

[trulpen]

Btw, I don’t think that the Soviet-Mongolian Defense Pact is maculated. You entered Korea, but didn’t attack it.

[trulpen]

*You = Russia

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Btw, I don’t think that the Soviet-Mongolian Defense Pact is maculated. You entered Korea, but didn’t attack it.

yep, the treaty is still in force

[trulpen]

Will do a landing with marine from cr in FIC that I missed.

[trulpen]

Did a miscalc in landing air. May I adjust the amount of air I sent to the over-kill of Kweichow? Didn’t calculate sz6 and now I see that there’s an extra sub and 3 sb. I also notice the russian sb in WUS (!). Didn’t you do something like that last game as well?

The dice are rolled, but I think it’s possible to handle.

I take away 3 air, 2 fig and 1 tac, since they’re needed by Tokyo. I haven’t looked at the dice, but I can do a second roll to find out which dice from the rolled ones to use.

Lets say there were 2 out of 4 hits for the figs and the same for the tacs, then taking away 2 figs and 1 tac would mean a roll of 1D2 for figs with a hit on 1 and miss on 2 and 1D3 for tacs with a hit on 1-2 and miss on 3.

Would this be ok with you?

If not I’ll just adjust placements. There’s that possibility as well, which I haven’t really looked at yet.

[trulpen]

I’ll continue the round assuming you say no to battle adjustment. It’s possible to do it later if you say yes.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #3 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

there’s an extra sub and 3 sb. I also notice the russian sb in WUS (!). Didn’t you do something like that last game as well?
The dice are rolled, but I think it’s possible to handle.
I take away 3 air, 2 fig and 1 tac, since they’re needed by Tokyo. I haven’t looked at the dice, but I can do a second roll to find out which dice from the rolled ones to use.

its totally confusing i need to see the map