L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3

[trulpen]

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

no , i thought u wanted me to sank the ships, and the dices automatically rolled, i posted immediately, and they should count.
tehnically the defender rolls its dice.

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

[trulpen]

“trulpen vs domimedo (+7) BM3:Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 4 fighters in 112 Sea Zone, round 3: Your dice are: 5,1,6,4,1”

trulpen vs domimedo (+7) BM3:Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport in 112 Sea Zone, round 3: Your dice are: 5,4,5,4,3
Have a nice day."

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

no , i thought u wanted me to sank the ships, and the dices automatically rolled, i posted immediately, and they should count.
tehnically the defender rolls its dice.

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

I don’t agree with this. Technically in triplea the attacker rolls all dice. When looking at the position, the defender should not click anything, but just evaluate and make a decision. Atleast that’s how it always goes. You agree?

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 15

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.4

Game History

Round: 15

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 5 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 11 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Politics - Germans
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Chile
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Argentina
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Venezuela
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Sweden
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Switzerland
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Spain
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Portugal
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Turkey
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Saudi Arabia
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Afghanistan
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Mozambique
        Trigger Germans Friendly With TrueNeutrals: Setting captureUnitOnEnteringBy to Germans:Italians:Japanese for territoryAttachment attached to Angola

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 battleship and 1 carrier moved from 113 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Novgorod to 112 Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to 127 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
              Germans take Smolensk from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        1 artillery moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Kazakhstan
        16 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara
        1 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Finland
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel
        1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Archangel

    Combat - Germans
        Americans scrambles 3 units out of Norway to defend against the attack in 112 Sea Zone
        Battle in Finland
        Battle in 112 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 fighters
            British defend with 3 fighters and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 carrier and 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 fighters in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
                Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport in 112 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                1 carrier owned by the Germans lost in 112 Sea Zone
                Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 4 fighters in 112 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 1 transport in 112 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                1 battleship owned by the Germans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 4 fighters owned by the Germans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 112 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking Finland from British with 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -52
            Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 4 fighters
            Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier and 1 destroyer

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans : -2.33
Americans : 2.67

Savegame

[Amon-Sul]

the rolls were

1 2 3 3 2

u have it in the log in the map i reposted

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

Yes, that’s why there is this custom of attacker doing it all, but also to avoid situations like this, when double rolls are made.

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

no , i thought u wanted me to sank the ships, and the dices automatically rolled, i posted immediately, and they should count.
tehnically the defender rolls its dice.

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

I don’t agree with this. Technically in triplea the attacker rolls all dice. When looking at the position, the defender should not click anything, but just evaluate and make a decision. Atleast that’s how it always goes. You agree?

but i thought u wont me to sank the ships, and the diceserver rolled automatically. tehnically neither of us rolls, but the server. but as in aa board game, tehnically i have the right to do my dices. but i think its not issue here, but which dices rolled first.

i think usa did. i would have any problems if it was the other way around and u rolled it. it doesnt matter who roll it , but the matter is what is rolled. at least i see it that way

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

the rolls were

1 2 3 3 2

u have it in the log in the map i reposted

Ok, sorry, but since we are in disagreement I guess we should call in some referee. Should I call out for gamerman?

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

Yes, that’s why there is this custom of attacker doing it all, but also to avoid situations like this, when double rolls are made.

yes, i agree, and i tell u i misread ur message, u said sink the ships then, i thought it was directed to me, why would i otherwise do it

and i didnt plan to roll dices, they rolled automatically

i thought that i ll remove my ships and repost the map with that decision that u wanted me that

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

the rolls were

1 2 3 3 2

u have it in the log in the map i reposted

Ok, sorry, but since we are in disagreement I guess we should call in some referee. Should I call out for gamerman?

i have no problem with that, but in case ur dices were rolled before mine, i withdraw my claim and agree to Ur retreat and nulifying my dice.

cheers

[Amon-Sul]

and in other case (my dice rolled first) i agree to referee s decision.

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

no , i thought u wanted me to sank the ships, and the dices automatically rolled, i posted immediately, and they should count.
tehnically the defender rolls its dice.

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

I don’t agree with this. Technically in triplea the attacker rolls all dice. When looking at the position, the defender should not click anything, but just evaluate and make a decision. Atleast that’s how it always goes. You agree?

but i thought u wont me to sank the ships, and the diceserver rolled automatically. tehnically neither of us rolls, but the server. but as in aa board game, tehnically i have the right to do my dices. but i think its not issue here, but which dices rolled first.

i think usa did. i would have any problems if it was the other way around and u rolled it. it doesnt matter who roll it , but the matter is what is rolled. at least i see it that way

You may very well be right. I follow your logic, but don’t fully agree. Trying to contemplate it. I also don’t care which dice were rolled first or last.

What if your opponent goes in and rolls the battle when getting scramble options. Would it count?

[Amon-Sul]

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

And I rolled the dice. If you happened to roll any, they’re invalid. Right?

no , i thought u wanted me to sank the ships, and the dices automatically rolled, i posted immediately, and they should count.
tehnically the defender rolls its dice.

but we are not doing it cus its too slow, and virtual of course

I don’t agree with this. Technically in triplea the attacker rolls all dice. When looking at the position, the defender should not click anything, but just evaluate and make a decision. Atleast that’s how it always goes. You agree?

but i thought u wont me to sank the ships, and the diceserver rolled automatically. tehnically neither of us rolls, but the server. but as in aa board game, tehnically i have the right to do my dices. but i think its not issue here, but which dices rolled first.

i think usa did. i would have any problems if it was the other way around and u rolled it. it doesnt matter who roll it , but the matter is what is rolled. at least i see it that way

You may very well be right. I follow your logic, but don’t fully agree. Trying to contemplate it. I also don’t care which dice were rolled first or last.

What if your opponent goes in and rolls the battle when getting scramble options. Would it count?

i dont understand this scramble part, can u please clarify

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@trulpen said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

the rolls were

1 2 3 3 2

u have it in the log in the map i reposted

Ok, sorry, but since we are in disagreement I guess we should call in some referee. Should I call out for gamerman?

i have no problem with that, but in case ur dices were rolled before mine, i withdraw my claim and agree to Ur retreat and nulifying my dice.

cheers

[trulpen]

According to my dicemail my dice were rolled 16.38 and yours 16.39. So, you are ok with that?

[Amon-Sul]

Well, first of all i ve rolled it by accident. Its first time in the game of 1000 times, because it was not deliberate.

Second, i dont have problems with my opponents rolling their rolls each round, except it would so slow the game we would be playing ages.

[trulpen]

What does your dicemail say?

[Amon-Sul]

i ll go check
wait

[trulpen]

@Amon-Sul said in L20 #1 trulpen (X) vs Amon-Sul (A+7) BM3:

Well, first of all i ve rolled it by accident. Its first time in the game of 1000 times, because it was not deliberate.

Second, i dont have problems with my opponents rolling their rolls each round, except it would so slow the game we would be playing ages.

Yes, it can happen. My view is that a mistaken roll is not valid. But we don’t have to agree on that.

Yes, it would definitely take longer overall. Although not in situations like this when both are present, then it would take about the same time since the attacker needs to wait for a decision on causalties.

I think this custom is mainly to avoid conflicting dice. When the player who’s turn it is rolls all dice, there’s no discussion. Of course, it’s mainly about the definition of custom.